X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 12cf4e,42228adabf0f19fd,start X-Google-Attributes: gid12cf4e,public X-Google-Thread: f6fd3,42228adabf0f19fd,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf6fd3,public X-Google-Thread: fd588,42228adabf0f19fd,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfd588,public X-Google-Thread: fa35a,42228adabf0f19fd,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfa35a,public From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: [Fwd: RFD: comp.graphics.apps.painter] Date: 1997/07/24 Message-ID: <33D7BF46.687B@Worldnet.att.net> X-Deja-AN: 261086513 Organization: Nahee Enterprises Reply-To: NOSPAM@Worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: alt.binaries,alt.ascii-art.animation,alt.binaries.3d.lightwave,alt.fractal-design This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3B6A5B736A08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----------------------------------------------------- Replace the NOSPAM with Paul.N.Lee before replying. ----------------------------------------------------- --------------3B6A5B736A08 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: wn5!worldnet.att.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.digital.com!vixie!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Thornton Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.graphics.apps.freehand,comp.graphics.misc,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.graphics.apps.corel,alt.fractal-design.painter,comp.sys.mac.graphics Subject: RFD: comp.graphics.apps.painter Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <869468264.12242@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.graphics.apps.painter Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 06:57:44 GMT Xref: wn5 news.announce.newgroups:2169 news.groups:148337 comp.graphics.apps.freehand:4774 comp.graphics.misc:23571 comp.graphics.apps.photoshop:58574 comp.graphics.apps.corel:2101 alt.fractal-design.painter:6146 comp.sys.mac.graphics:26089 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group comp.graphics.apps.painter Newsgroup line: comp.graphics.apps.painter MetaCreations Painter. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.graphics.apps.painter. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: comp.graphics.apps.painter MetaCreations Painter (formally known as Fractal Design Painter before the company merged with MetaTools) is probably the best natural painting software application in the world. A large number of graphic artists make use of the application and it is probably the same to natural painting as Adobe Photoshop is to bitmap editing and image processing. Painter is a world-leading software package. The large Painter user-base suggests that there is a need for a forum where people can start discussions on all aspects of graphic design involving Painter. Usenet newsgroups already exist for other major graphics applications such as Adobe Photoshop, Macromedia Freehand and Corel graphics software. Discussion of Painter currently occurs in the alt.fractal- design.painter newsgroup. Unfortunately there are several problems with this newsgroup: 1. Newsgroups in the alt.* hierarchy are not available on all news servers. Newsgroups in the comp.* hierarchy are more likely to be available on the majority of news servers. 2. The existing alt.* newsgroups is heavily spammed with inappropriate messages. This is typical of alt.* level newsgroups and was the reason for the creation of a number of existing comp.graphics.apps.* newsgroups. 3. Fractal Design recently merged with MetaTools to form MetaCreations. The name of the existing newsgroup is now inappropriate because of this. 4. The existing alt.* level newsgroups is isolated away from all the other graphics newsgroups. This makes it difficult to find. MetaCreations recently launched Painter 5.0 for both Windows and Macintosh computers. A recent pole suggested that a new newsgroup for the discussion of Painter is required, to provide users with a place to learn how to fully utilise the capbilities of this powerful software application. CHARTER: comp.graphics.apps.painter The proposed newsgroup would provide a place for the discussion of the MetaCreations Painter software application, available on all computer platforms. Tips, tricks and informational postings would be welcomed as would mutual assistance and support. The newsgroup would not be moderated and would have no official ties or connections with any commercial vendor or developer. Binary postings are not permitted in comp.graphics.apps.painter under any circumstances. A separate newsgroup will be created in the alt.* hierarchy where binary files relating to messages in the comp.graphics.apps.painter newsgroup can be posted. The binary newsgroup will be called alt.binaries.comp.graphics.apps.painter and it will be created shortly after comp.graphics.apps.painter. Users of comp.graphics.apps.painter should indicate in their messages that binaries have been posted to the separate newsgroup, including the name of the binary, should this be the case. It is possible that some people will post messages asking for illegal copies of software to the newsgroup. Users are encouraged not to follow up or reply to these messages in the newsgroup and to simply ignore them. The newsgroup is for information and support. It is not a marketplace, and advertising of any kind is not permitted. Moneymaking schemes, chain letters, excessive crossposting and reposting is also inappropriate. With all violations of the charter, users are encouraged not to follow them up or reply to them in the newsgroup. If you must follow them up, please do so by email. This prevents the newsgroup from deteriorating any further. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD will be cross-posted to the following relevant newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.graphics.apps.freehand, comp.graphics.misc, comp.graphics.apps.photoshop, comp.graphics.apps.corel, alt.fractal-design.painter, comp.sys.mac.graphics It will also be made available to relevant private mailing lists, related forums and web sites once it has been posted to Usenet. -- Proponent: David Thornton Visit http://davidthornton.com for more information about the proposed comp.graphics.apps.{illustrator,micrografx,misc,painter,xpress} Usenet newsgroups. --------------3B6A5B736A08--