Cybele says, "the drift" ASondheim agrees with everyone and hopes they feel good ... elizabeth [to entropio]: do you mean the first version of this meeting? same issue entropio Hopes ASond feels really good too irf [to ASondheim]: Situationism? entropio [to elizabeth]: yes Cybele says, "I think its inevitable with the same presentation that the same issue will resurface." ASondheim hopes to feel good for entropio. Helen says, "Psychogeography? derive?" ASondheim says, "Situationism, Guy deBord, a movement around Paris (Vincennes as well) in the 60s- up to now in a way -" elizabeth is impressed by Cybele's e acute Sue says, "i would like to call a Definition Break" Sue says, "time out!" entropio says, "I love how typing phasis takes so much energy" elizabeth says, "Situationism is a whole nother meeting though!" Cybele says, "its kinda hard to explain in blurbs, wouldnt you say alan?" Sue says, "is there any word that anyone would like defining here and now in one easy sentence?" ASondheim says, "It had to do with "Society of the Spectacle," which is the name of deBord's main book - a mixture of Hegelianism, authoritarianism (you were or weren't a Situationist), Marxism, anarchism - lettrisme, which it came out of, surrealism ..." ASondheim says, "Pre-Baudrillard" Cybele swears at her assumptions of common reference. Sue says, "is that an easy sentence?" ASondheim says, "Is it a sentence?" Helen says, "define everything you just said AlanS" Cybele giggles her ass off. irf has disconnected. The housekeeper arrives to remove irf. ASondheim says, "Hegelianism, looking at the world dialectically; authoritarianism, what I say goes; Marxism, this is a class struggle; anarchism, so who cares?; lettrisme, let's play with letters; Surrealism, while we're dreaming..." Helen says, "http://fhis.gcal.ac.uk/PSY/sun/LectureNotes/documents/sidocs.html" elizabeth says, "dreaming??" Cybele says, "an example of the drift or deriv» is that in the 60sgroups of people would walk around paris, not deciding ahead of time which street to go down, using only what felt right at the moment to make decisions" ASondheim says, "dreamwork, derive, a form of wandering around the city" Cybele says, "trying to experince geography psychically." elizabeth [to ASondheim]: sorry, joke Helen says, "Listen, I'm a scientist here...." ASondheim [to Cybele]: which has an odd relation to the rest of Situationism, I have a feeling it was a 'nice addition' so to speak Guest arrives. >> Guest is now known as irf. Cybele says, "alan seems one of their ideas that has lasted the longest." ASondheim [to Cybele]: I agree with you, it also relates oddly to slackers ... Cybele says, "does my example explain anything" Cybele ponders the connection surfing on the net. ASondheim says, "There's the panopticon on PMC MOO that takes you in and out of the descriptions of spaces ..." elizabeth says, "is it the same as flaneur? Baudelaire?" ASondheim says, "flaneur was more of a style, this is more of invisibility" Cybele says, "ooo more terms, flaneur?" elizabeth says, "hmmm that's nice" Helen says, "d»rive: An experimental mode of behavior linked to the condition of urban society: a technique for hastily passing through varied environments. Also used, more particularly, to designate the duration of a prolonged exercise of such an experiment." elizabeth says, "aha, Halen has moved the diacritical!" ASondheim says, "Thanks, Helen!" Cybele says, "that sounds like a good dictionary definition, helen." Sue says, "thanks helen" Cybele says, "shit, I put the accent on the wrong e." irf says, "flaneur \Fla`neur"\, n. [F., fr. fl[^a]ner to stroll.] One who strolls about aimlessly; a lounger; a loafer. " Sue says, "i have never come across that before" ASondheim says, "You could in fact say that the ostensible content of MOO conversation, this as well, is also derive" Cybele says, "my point exactly, alan" elizabeth [to AlanS]: I read that as 'drivel' first ASondheim says, "the drift, mobility, interspersions, invisibilities, presences and groupings" Cybele says, "ha!" ASondheim [to elizabeth]: not far off! Helen says, "thanks irf" Cybele says, "ready for next slide?" Sue says, "are you saying that MOO must be like an urban environment>?" irf says, ":)" Sue says, "and not a rural one?" ASondheim says, "Definitely, btw irf sounds like intermediate radio frequency... (irf stages in radios)" Cybele says, "hi guest, who might you be?" elizabeth [to Sue]: In so far as it is multiply and unpredictably populated it is more like urban irf says, "yup thats me. intermittent"