Article 16606 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Path: cbnewsl!jad From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) Subject: Part III, Federal Gov't Mind-Control Programs Subvert U.S. Education Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: North America Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 17:58:55 GMT Message-ID: <1992Oct19.175855.23723@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: federal government mind-control programs subvert U.S. education Lines: 134 I made the following transcript from a tape recording of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) BEVERYLY ECKMAN: And those materials do not go through the typical process of adoption, like text book adoption. They do not have to be passed by any watch-dog organization, local or otherwise. You can just take them on through. Now these strands are behavioral in nature. They are psychological in nature. And it is a way to undercut, in many cases, the value system. For example ... I'm going to get real specific here. Take the value of individualism. Now that is really not a value, in itself. It is an attitude. The values that UNDERLIE individualism are what they're going to target. They're not going to come in taking individualism off the top, so to speak, or attacking individualism, off the top. What they'll do instead is to go after self-sufficiency, independence and ambition. Those are the values or the beliefs -- the sub-structure that supports the ethic of individualism. If you have mini-courses scattered throughout all the other subjects -- hard-hitting, feeling types of exercises and films that unfailingly portray self-sufficiency, independence and ambition in an unfavorable light, eventually, you're going to weaken the sub-structure. And individualism will be history. What we don't realize today is that the field of psychology HAS come far enough to be able to do that. Yes, in many cases, psychology is a quack science, or it's not a true science. BUT, the behaviorists DO know how to brain-wash selectively. And they ARE doing it. If you don't believe it, look at the statistics on youth gangs. What is a gang? It's a group. And one of the goals that they say in their interpretive literature is the point of their testing and their curriculum is "WILLINGNESS TO CONFORM TO GROUP GOALS." GARY NULL: That's a DANGEROUS concept! BEVERLY ECKMAN: Yeah. GARY NULL: My God, that means a rule by consensus. Think of all the things that an uneducated, non-individualistically-thinking society would agree to. That allows naziism -- that allows fascism to exist. BEVERLY ECKMAN: You've got it. GARY NULL: And look at Germany. Certainly there was no society in the last hundred years that was more regimented in its need to believe absolutely in a single principle, and NOT to challenge it. That was the German educational system. And that was created by a man named Spora in 1929 and carried forward right through the entire Third Reich, where you did not have an opportunity in curriculum to challenge the beliefs. You did not have individualism. You had complete authoritarianism. And look at the Japanese. As a culture today, it is extremely rigidified, racist in the extreme. As a SOCIETY, it's racist. There are INDIVIDUALS who are not. But anyone who challlenges the notion should go live there, and you'll see, very blatantly, this ..... it's frequently understated; politically, it certainly is, for its own survival. But it has an extremely tenacious anger toward other cultures in its own elitism and its idea of being best. Women are kept in their place. They are not given equality; not respected for being multi-dimensional human beings. BEVERLY ECKMAN: This is true. Of course, it's always under the cover of respecting diversity and all that kind of stuff. But when you really get into it, they want the homogenized man [person]. And it's very interesting now, with the demise of the former Soviet Union, that they're sticking to this in such a rigid way (I'm talking about the behaviorists, that is) -- the homogenized man [person]. You know, after all the things that Stalin tried to do, and that Hitler tried to do in order to get RID of differences and diversity, and what-not. And it didn't really work because nationalism reared its ugly head worse than ever. But still, they're sticking to this idea. And it's very interesting. GARY NULL: Well do you see how much there is of that mindset again today in Germany? BEVERLY ECKMAN: Yes. It didn't die out. Did it? GARY NULL: No. And the consensus vote recently on the skinheads brutalizing, hurting and killing these poor and homeless immigrants was that they SUPPORTED this nationalistic fervor. It shows you how regressive people can be. And also, think of it this way. Going back to this 60 MINUTES show last night on the environment. Being in the environmental movement for twenty-nine years; being with the original Citizens for Clean Air and all the work and the really tough go we had back then, just trying to make people aware that they have some responsibility to their environment, and being looked upon as if you were a nut. Now it's gotten to the point where collectively, EN MASSE, anything that is not of the "RIGHT" thinking, meaning that if you are going to change the environment, you're going to cause job-loss. That's their knee-jerk reaction. Nothing else. If there is anything that is not of the "RIGHT" thinking, destroy that which challenges it. And so, they're willing to burn the homes of their own friends, their own neighbors. There's a danger that can be created from a mass socio-pathic ..... BEVERLY ECKMAN: ... a mass mindset. Yes. I think this is the worst part of this. And, of course, these behaviorists ... they KNOW what they're doing. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. That's their business. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please assist in its dissemination by posting it to other bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. John DiNardo