Return-Path: <@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU:wsn@CSF.COLORADO.EDU> Received: from JHUVM (NJE origin JHUSMTP@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8456; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 22:00:13 -0500 Received: from csf.Colorado.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with TCP; Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:00:11 EST Received: from localhost by csf.Colorado.EDU (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA04361; Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:02:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:02:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9303160301.AA04343@csf.Colorado.EDU> Errors-To: roper@csf.Colorado.EDU Reply-To: wsn@csf.Colorado.EDU Originator: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Sender: wsn@csf.Colorado.EDU Precedence: bulk From: CHRIS CHASE-DUNN To: chriscd@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Subject: wagar and the future X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK the ides of march are here. Bob Ross has read Wagar but what about the rest of you? Bob says it is not art. Maybe not but it is a lot easier for my undergraduates to read than most the stuff I force on them. Bob says that Wagar does not deal with the FACT (in the minds of many) that socialism failed in the Soviet Union. To this I would say that it is a true psychological limitation of the present but I wonder how loong this will last. The socialism of the future will be different than the socialism of the past and it will examine why the experiments went wrong and what went right. the current funk will pass with the ideological hegemony of neo-liberalism. New forms of organization will emerge and old forms will be revitalized. there will be new socialist revolutions in the semiperiphery and new labor movements and socialist parties everywhere. They may not use the word "socialist." But they will try to make a more cooperative and collectively rational world. My question about wagar is this. how can we do RED EARTH without having to go through 2044? chris chase-dunn chriscd@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu