Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (mailserv.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.61]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p-nh) with ESMTP id SAA03741 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sociotut (sociotut.ijk.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.163.187]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id NAA11208 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:06:09 +1300 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:06:09 +1300 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971013121210.27875f08@mailserv.waikato.ac.nz> X-Sender: maxine@mailserv.waikato.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: socgrad@csf.colorado.edu From: Maxine Campbell Subject: Re: welfare fraud (fwd) Hi Mirelle As usual, there is unending argument when it comes to the validity of stats. Here in NZ a recent newspaper article by a local politician quoted a welfare fraud figure of around the 1% you quoted. My reaction to that was "if only big business was so lucky - or any employer, come to that! It seems to me that 1% dishonety in any enterprise is very low. A few weeks after the publication of that article I was summonsed by the local welfare branch to come in for an audit (I am a single parent in receipt of a partial benefit). At the interview I was told that benefit fraud was up around 30% or more. When I pressed for the source of the figure, it turned out it was no more than "Opinion", and the audit process, of which I was a part, was instituted to attempt to determine the level of welfare fraud. While the methodology itself may be cause for concern, even greater problems would seem to be associated with what appears to be an intention to provide the stats to back up the opinion. The political and social climate in NZ at the moment is very much imbued with a "user pays", "individual responsiblilty", "free market" philosophy, and any means by which welfare spending can be reduced (and recipients further stigmatised) tends to be not only welcomed, but accepted as an imperative. I fully expect that the figures produced by the research will say exactly what those in power want them to say. I'm afraid I am unable to supply any research results, and even if I could, I would probably be sceptical of them. The real point, I think, is that there is no research that I am aware of that suggests that welfare recipients are any more prone to fraud than other sectors of the community - though they may be more desperate. On the other hand, they face (at least in NZ) more checks and balances on their honesty than do, say, employees. There will, off course, always be those who rip the system off regardless of their degree of desperation, and I suspect that they would do the same to employers and the taxman. The difference seems to be that when the fraudster is a beneficiary the mud sticks to all beneficiaries, while if they are employees or tax dodgers, other employees and taxpayers are not tarred with the same brush. Cheers, Maxine > Maxine Campbell email: maxine@waikato.ac.nz Sociology Department Phone: 0064-7-8562889, ex 8274 University of Waikato Home: 0064-7-8547103 Hamilton Fax: 0064-7-8562158 New Zealand