Received: from smtpgate.uvm.edu (smtpgate.uvm.edu [132.198.101.121]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p-nh) with SMTP id GAA24448 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from T. (207.123.169.151) by smtpgate.uvm.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.23960560@smtpgate.uvm.edu>; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 8:04:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971022080405.2d7f4c50@pop.uvm.edu> X-Sender: tryoung@pop.uvm.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: socgrad@csf.colorado.edu From: TR Young Subject: On the Use of Universals Jonathan: Again, you push me to support a position which was, originally, too vague and too suspect to take on faith. Thanks. There are two points in your critique which requires response: 1. Assuming the very existence of a post-history reifies marxian theory to the level of a universal. REPLY: On the surface, it looks as though I use marxist theory about class relationships to make a statement about theory in general. However, the point Marx made about the transformations of human agency and human understanding were on a different level of argument from the statements he made about particular levels of human agency and human understandings. Indeed, as we see below, what I had been delinquent upon was not clarifying levels of argument...and thus not helping human understanding about the varying validiities of social and/or marxist class theory. 2. But I think it is disingenuous to put forth an argument against universals when in fact you are using them. REPLY: I do regret my delinquency and do appreciate your call to account on it... It is possible to say that some statements are universally true while denying the universality of other statements...and it is an epistemological sin to conflate between them. Consider: All cats are black; therefore all animals are black. In that statement, I deliberately conflated LEVELS of analysis. What I could/should have said is: Cats are animals; all cats are black, therefore some animals are black. As you can see, the category of 'animal' is a higher category of analysis than is the category of 'cat'. In the case of Marx's statement about History...it is of a more general LEVEL of analysis than his statements about class. Hence: I cannot say: Class theory is not universal; therefore no theory is universal. Nor could I say: All theory is universal; therefore class theory is universal. But I can say as I thought I was saying: Some theory is universal; class theory is not one of them. Now...although I can make this last claim, that does not mean it is in fact a true statement: it well could be the case that marxist theory is universally true...I don't believe that to be the case but a lot of my colleagues are absolutely convinced of it. And, again, Marx could be wrong about the changing character of historical understanding...there are a lot of people who firmly believe in the absolute truth of the Christian Bible, the Jewish Torah and/or the islamic Koran. If they are right, Marx is wrong. And there are a great many sociologists in my generation who are absolutely convinced that the mission of the knowledge process is to discover tight correlations which are replicable...while I state that the mission of the discovery process is identification of the dynamic regime at hand; discovery of bifurcation points at which causality fades and fails; discovery of new relationships which emerge out of deep chaos. And, again, I could be wrong about the changing validity of social theory...chaos theory may not apply to social dynamics...that is a very real possibility... Indeed, there is very little in American Sociology, other than a dozen articles I and others have written, which support this truth claim. But Patti Hamilton at Texas Woman's University has found hidden attractors in a data set which escaped discovery by the use of linear analytic techniques... ...And several hundred psychologists are members of Chaospsych and regularly report empirical confirmation of non-linear dynamics in that field...as do economists, biologists, physiologists, and a few political scientists who are absolutely convinced that modernist mission and methods of the knowledge process are appropriate only for simple, i.e., 3-dimensional or simpler systems. Alas, the knowledge process is far more complicated than is dreamt of in the poor philosophies of Bacon, Newton, Comte, or Parsons. Chee rs, TR REFERENCES: at: http://www.tryoung.com Postmodern Theories of Crime A Constitutive Theory of Justice: Architecture and Content Chaos Theory and Postmodern Philosophy of Science Symbolic Interactional Theory and Nonlinear Dynamics Chaos Theory and the Knowledge Process Chaos Theory and Human Agency Chaos and Management Science Chaos and the Drama of Social Change Chaos and Crime Managing Chaos Paradigm Theory Reinventing Socialism Chaos and the Concept of Structure Class Structure and Non-Linear Social Dynamics TR Young The Red Feather Institute 8085 Essex, Weidman, Mi., 48893--ph: [517] 644 3089 Email: tr@tryoung.com TR.Young@uvm.edu