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Subject: Re: Discursive Culture Clashes
Thomas,
People who fail to artificially separate personal and political issues are
not adverse to intellectual debate, as you have proposed.  Nor are such
people, by definition, only interested in building unrigorous consensus.
 Those of us who know that gender tracking in academic sociology exists have
been persuaded by the mounds of evidence that others refuse to accept.
 That's fine.  We each have feelings about what consitutes "good" evidence.  

Thank you for offering an analysis aimed at getting us past a culture clash.
 Your analysis of #1's actions and thoughts are obviously accurate, since
you're basically describing yourself (as denoted by the reference to "he").
 You have only a partial sense of your #2's, however.  (Also, I think #2's
are too diverse to be necessarily lumped into one category.)  Hopefully you
will be able to modify your perception with the understanding that the people
you are clashing with don't simply want to be comfortable -- we want to gain
the best understanding of this issue as we can, and have provided various
ways of doing that.  There are undoubtedly more ways out there -- one of
which may be yours.  

The sort of "culture clash" you describe is not gender neutral, nor is the
clash between perceptions of what constitutes evidence.  Considering evidence
that has traditionally been deemed unimportant (such as women's narratives)
is an important part of my feminist perspective, as is working to deconstruct
the notion that "ideas" and "people" are two separate things.

Ivy Kennelly
U Georgia