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Date: 	Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:34:20 -0400
To: socgrad@csf.colorado.edu
From: tony.calabrese@utoronto.ca (Tony Calabrese)
Subject: re: Canadian hires
Message-Id: <97Jun17.002707edt.159883(8)@bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca>
In response to Pamela Behan's and Adam Flint's recent posts regarding hires
at the University of Toronto:

       Regarding the recent hires at the University of Toronto, it is my
understanding that two out of the four most recently hired (at the
Assistant   Professor level) were NOT Canadian citizens.  The Princeton
graduate and the University of Chicago grad were Canadian as far as I know.
The Michigan and the Indiana grads were not.  So, I would not dismiss the
possibility of being hired at a Canadian University out of hand.  It is
like most things in life, as far as I can tell, if they want you bad enough
they'll find a way of making it happen.
        In response to Pamela's query about how it is that U.S. citizens
can be short-listed for Canadian university positions when the job ads
state that Canadian citizens are preferred: it appears that there is a way
around the 'canadian only' rules.  If the call for canadian applicants
results in the rejection of all (or most) canadian applicants as not good
enough then it is my understanding that Canadian departments have the right
to call for (and hire) non-canadian applicants.  To the best of my
knowledge this is how the process works.  If I am mistaken I'm certain that
somebody will correct me.  I hope that this information is somewhat
helpful.
Tony Calabrese
University of Toronto
Department of Sociology
Phd 2.


On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Pamela Behan wrote:
        Tony, I'm confused at how U.S. citizens can be short-listed for
any Canadian hires.  I understand that Canadian job listings always state
something like "Canadian citizens and landed immigrants only need apply."
Am I wrong, or does the wording of job listings have nothing to do with
actual hiring?
        I have a particular interest in this topic, since I'm doing my
dissertation on a comparative study (of health care politics) in Canada,
Australia and the U.S.  It would be nice to think that a position in
Canada was, at least, a possibility.
                Pamela Behan
                U. of Colorado - Boulder