Received: from jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu (jhuml1.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.86]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p-nh) with ESMTP id BAA09365 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 01:53:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix-b.hcf.jhu.edu) by jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #18666) with SMTP id <01IQN982YE9EAPTWDN@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> for socgrad@csf.colorado.edu; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 03:52:11 EDT Received: (from tombrown@localhost) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id DAA20360 for socgrad@csf.colorado.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 1997 03:54:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 03:54:17 -0500 From: tombrown@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Thomas F Brown) Subject: Re: irony of job market discussion To: socgrad@csf.colorado.edu Message-id: <199712010854.DAA20360@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> >Disclaimer: I do think the job situation for PhDs sucks, and I think >most faculty are acting immorally to 1) encourage people to study >for PhDs without telling them the reality of the job situation, 2) taking >on so many new PhD students, This criticism assumes that the only reason for doing a phd is to find an academic job. Personal interest or non-academic jobs are also reasonable goals. Why should faculty discourage others from doing what they themselves have already done? Why should faculty waste their time explaining the job market to applicants? Anyone can easily get that story on their own. Professors aren't paid to be career counselors for prospective applicants. >3) not working *with* grad students >on issues of TA/RA rights, university hiring, etc. These are issues of a political or procedural nature. I don't see anything immoral about lacking interest in them, or about taking a position contrary to other folks' positions. I think it's dangerous to confuse politics with morality.