Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:32:36 -0700 for Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 11:25 EDT From: SCOTT BLAKE Subject: Re: malls and more To: socgrad@UCSD.EDU I agree with the fundamentals of michael's post about the conformity and one-up-personship that now takes place in the "grunge" and "granola" circles. I would simply like to point out that things were not always like that and it is perhpas a better lesson in the power of society to co-opt its rebels than one in the fallacy of group individualism. The "grunge" phenomenon has its roots in the punk movements of the late 1970's and early 1980's. At the time, disaffected youths were practicing random acts of vandalism and senseless violence in an effort to break out of the molds imposed on them. They (we) wore the same cloths for weeks, we smelled bad, we did drugs, we engaged in petty larceny, we called police "pigs", we lashed out in an un-coordinated, stupid way. What was happening then? How did we get from a cohort crying out for change in the only way we knew to pseudo-yuppies competing for the most expensive combat nboots? I'd love to discuss this in greater detail and length if folks are up to it. scott blake