Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:30:50 -0700 for Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:18:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Gibbons Subject: Re: non-participation To: Melanie melanie, i am drawing heavily from my own perceptions and my wife's experiences in classrooms, but am certain that the differential gender reinforcement that has been noted in grade and high schools is quite prevalent at our universities as well. Many of our professors at my last university made a weighted attempt to increase female participation in classroom discussion, and even with such prompting, reversing the ingrained habits of "shyness" was difficult for them. The difference was most notable between the freshwomen and the senior women. Of course many chose to remain "womanly" and quiet, but many had become quite vocal. This contrasts reasonably starkly against my current university where it doesn't weem that professors are encouraged to draw women out of their prescribed shells. Of course this university does not stress class discussion nearly as heavily as my last one, and thus the quualitative difference in class discussion is quite striking in most areas, including this one. this does then bring up the correlative question that refers to the differential gender treatment itself. it is interesting to see how easily feminist perogatives are misunderstood and percieved as threatening, and this is no exception. when women dominate the classroom, they have some ax to grind, or some "chip on their shoulder" as you put it. but to observe the typical classroom, the rudeness of the male participants in their disregard for what women have to say, or even their existence in that academic setting at all is frightening. and of course this (typical) domination of discussion is simply class participation, not at all rude or pretentious. finally, i would hope that this electronic forum will help to draw out women thinkers who don't have to fear being interrupted or shouted over. only the occasionally obnoxious aftermath following her commentary. even the ability to get out a whole statement seems to be something regularly denied women students and so this ought to be helpful at the first level. sorry so long, michael