Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p-nh) with ESMTP id TAA23787 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from jps.net (208-25-50-97.stk.jps.net [208.25.50.97]) by smtp1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09246 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:51:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <364E413F.C70015D0@jps.net> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:49:35 -0800 From: Ted Toal MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppn Subject: Re: Rational Replies to Mr. Glaze Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my reply to Angela's post about rational replies to Mr. Glaze: > i think though that you have > decided to ignore the criticisms of your and ed glaze's positions. No. You haven't listened very well to our positions. You didn't really even give us a chance to put forth our positions. By the way, I may have missed a lot of what went on between you and Ed Glaze. But I assure you that I haven't ignored anything you have sent directed to me. It IS taking me a while to wade thru it tho. Hard to find the time for this, but I think it is important and may be fruitful for both of us, so I'll try to stick with it for a while. Oh, another thing, I only just joined this list, so you may have posted things that I didn't see. Also, I've noticed that there are a lot of posts to PPN of very extensive material, and unfortunately I just don't have the time to read it, unless something special catches my eye that really looks interesting. > as for 'angry': yes, i am angry and appalled - at your statements, > suppositions, contradictory arguments, relative morality, and at the ways in which > you resort to injunctions that others be polite when responding to statements and > positions which are obscene. Well, I hope I've made myself more clear and that you realize that my positions are not as far from yours as you think. Angela, I've learned over time to be far less judgmental of other people than I used to be. I've learned to withhold judgment that their positions are obscene, and politely debate them about it. And in the process I have, many times, experienced changes in my own position. I'm no longer as self-righteous as I used to be. I realize much more the complexity of the whole situation, and the different perspectives that different people are coming from. I'll bet you are in your 20's. Your words just sound so much like mine might have when I was at that age. And that's okay. I just hope I can talk you into treating me nicer, because my feelings get hurt easily. :-( Ted Toal ;-)