Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p-nh) with ESMTP id SAA20727 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from jps.net (208-25-50-97.stk.jps.net [208.25.50.97]) by smtp1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23449 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:55:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <364E341F.9AAC56A0@jps.net> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:53:35 -0800 From: Ted Toal MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppn Subject: Keep the debate public Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've only recently joined PPN, and am hesitant to post a lot of personal debate onto it because I don't yet know what kinds of material the list members consider appropriate for posting. I noticed a lot of postings of lengthy articles, so it seemed that personal debates might be considered undesirable. Hence, I sent several lengthy replies straight to rc&am (Angela) rather than to the list. However, now Jim Talboy says this, with my comments: >> No Ted, we'll have to keep the "debate" public. You and Mr. Glaze seem to be frustrated with your reception from the list. << I've not received much of a reception at all. There have been two or maybe three people that have replied to what I've said, so that isn't much of a response. I can't say that I'm frustrated with the response of anybody except for rc&am (Angela). Her responses have been extremely frustrating, but I felt it inappropriate to bring my debate with her to this list. I'm now reconsidering that. I just checked my last response to Jim Talboy (posted to PPN) and didn't see any sense of frustration in it. I never heard back from him on that one. >> I resent that your front" has not read our replies or simply chosen to ignore our complaints.<< I don't understand what you mean here by the word "front". I have read all email I've received from PPN and its list members, and responded to all of it, so I have no idea what you are talking about here. >> It seems much of it has gone right over your heads, as if we haven't been clear enough.<< If you say something I don't understand, I'll ask you to clarify it. >> The "front" has made "reviews" of the list's responses, by reworking our conversations out of context and redistributing them, to Sierra and Audubon at least, as if PPN members are not reasonable.<< Ed Glaze has summarized some of his observations of PPN interactions, mainly the ones he's had with list members, and posted them to KZPG. I don't know about the Sierra and Audubon lists, I'm not a subscriber. If you don't like his summary, you'll have to join those lists and discuss it there. >> will continue to keep the "debate" public, because frankly I've really not got time to "play in the sand box," and assume no other list participant is interested in providing petty fodder for offline "debate" either. << One list member specifically asked me not to post my reply to the list, and I honored that. That person has indicated a desire to continue discussion off-list, which I will do. >> These are two of Mr. Toals postings regarding the whys and wherefores of overpopulation, as an example of really wild, hidden MOTIVES. << The postings you referred to have nothing to do with overpopulation. They are posting I made to paranet.ufo news group, regarding my interest in UFOs and extraterrestrials. I have no idea why you feel the need to drag something like that into a discussion like this. I can only assume that you hope that most people on the list will be prejudiced against anyone who expresses interest and some degree of belief in these subjects. Not knowing the list members, I have no idea how prejudiced they are in that respect, but I'll assume they will ignore your attempt to bias them. Ted Toal