Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley Subject: More than one way to skin a cat...or set up a Gulag! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley To: John Drury Subject: Second Reply to John Drury. On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, John Drury wrote: > Against this, critics such as our local campaign group (the activities of which > I have detailed in a previous mailing to this list) argued: > 1, The ten pounds is so pathetic that it made no difference - this was > still work-for-dole. Moreover, many of the victims had to travel to work and > lost most of the ten pounds through the expenses they incurred. > 2, Some of the work would, indeed, receive a wage in other circumstances, > and certain organizations seemed to be saving money by employing > dole-slaves to tidy their premises etc. rather than paying someone to do it. In > Edinburgh, claimants on 'Project Work' were working in rest homes and > hospitals! Moreover we also argued, that even if the work was not normally > one that people would receive a wage for, forced labour set bad precedent > for employment practice and was the slippery slope to job substitution. > I break up long essays like this because short postings are more likely to be read and long periods of concentrating on this screen are stressful, too. I think that phrase has to be repeated over and over in all postings on all lists concerning all forms of forced work-for-welfare. It is FORCED labour. And it is illegal (in international law) and immoral. It can also be fairly called proto-fascist or an inroad into reinstitutionalizing slavery. Th rhetoric, well used can help the cause. There are two major forms of work-for-welfare that I am aware of. Does anyone else know of any others? (1) People forced into "work gangs". This is usually called workfare. (2) People forced into what is called welfare-to-work. This forces people into existing jobs in the work world which may be set up as minimum wage, make-work projects masquerading as free-enterprise, free-market jobs. I think this is Clinton's clever plan via his welfare-to-work. Give the pogy to the big businesses who will set up make-work projects, ie workfare, under another name! Isn't capitalism grand? FWP.