>From fstarr@world.std.com Mon Jul 5 10:30:38 1993 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 22:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Starr To: pnews@world.std.com Subject: AIDS (5 of 6) Subject: Part 5, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) DR. BERNSTEIN: Step Two is to go on and show that you can cause the disease by injecting a purified form of the disease agent into an animal or another human being. In the past, for things like yellow fever, they actually had human volunteers. Nobody has volunteered in this case, nor would I blame anyone for not volunteering. It certainly has not been done in the formal sense. Actually, there is evidence of people who have limited exposure to HIV: people who work in laboratories, medical personnel and sexual partners of hemophiliacs and blood transfusion patients -- people who have been shown to be infected, people who have gotten rid of the infection and, in some cases, who have even lost the antibody to the HIV, and have remained perfectly healthy. This certainly suggests that HIV is not sufficient to cause AIDS in a healthy human being. You should be able to cause the disease. You should be able to reisolate it and transmit it to another human being or organism. So far, we have no evidence that we can transmit HIV to another organism and cause disease. Chimpanzees and macaques have been infected. I've talked to people who have done these experiments. They have had infected animals since 1982 or 1983, and not a single one of these animals .... Although they have developed antibodies and they can show that the HIV is present in their T cells, but none of them have felt any symptoms of low T cell counts or any symptoms of AIDS. We have NO evidence that HIV, by itself, does anything whatsoever. GARY NULL: Okay. Please hold on the line, Dr. Bernstein. I want to come back to you. I want to go over now to Michael Ellner. Michael is an individual who is unique in our society. He has been spending his full time helping persons with AIDS with a group called HEAL. And, Michael, you've come up with some new information that you're concerned about that we should be concerned about. Please share it with us. MICHAEL ELLNER: They are now touting, as of February 4th, in New York Newsday that there is a new HIV test for newborns which will allow them to so-called "identify HIV infections" in these infants -- which is a total misrepresentation -- so that they can get earlier treatment with AZT and the various prophylaxes. This is nothing short of medical genocide. Babies born HIV-positive almost never have active infections, but merely show their parents' antibodies, in which case, what usually happens is, as the baby's own natural defense system matures (usually within eighteen months), they shed the antibody. Except in the very few instances where the mothers were active alcoholics, active drug users or had active other problems and infections, these babies are okay. Now, this is clearly a case of HIV overkill and hysteria. Most babies born HIV-positive (some studies have it over eighty percent. Some studies have it around seventy percent) show that it's not a true infection. And in many cases, the baby is just showing the mother's antibody status. In fact, in many of these cases, even the mother is not infected. Just testing HIV-positive on the standard tests does not confirm an active infection. It merely demonstrates viral immunity and exposure. And, as consumers, people are being misled. Infection is not the same thing. Particularly, Root Bernstein just talked about people having active cytomegalovirus infections or active hepatitis infections as part of the multi-causal. Simply showing an antibody isn't an active infection. I think this [medical/media decree] is very dangerous. And I believe that when you see which babies are affected, which newborns, it will be people of color and the poor. The way that it will be set up is that they're now talking about doing these tests more routinely, maybe without the parents' consent, if the parent is at risk. In saying that they're trying to save the babies, I think this is a great fraud. Also, I want to say, Gary, that having had the opportunity to work with you behind the scenes -- I know how hard you worked to help Arthur Ashe help himself. I was there. I saw all the work you were doing. And I think that they have made two misrepresentations in his story. ONE: They keep presenting him as someone who demonstrates that anyone can get AIDS. Anything BUT that is true! He was a person with very serious health risks. And, as you've been saying over and over again -- and I agree; and I think Root Bernstein also confirms it -- what we're seeing is that people who develop AIDS have preexisting and serious health risks, rather than simply being exposed to HIV. So I think that you did a terrific job, and it's sad that he wasn't able to take advantage of all the hard work you did on his behalf. GARY NULL: Well, it is sad because they're not going to look at the reality. And the reality is that no one is going to challenge his medication. MICHAEL ELLNER: Exactly! GARY NULL: I didn't see a word written that this man was taking THE controversial drug, AZT -- or DDI, or DDC; that he was immune- suppressed; that he was cachexic. When I was with Bill McCreary at Fox Television and we were talking, and Bill said to him, off camera -- and this was in the lobby of the Apollo Theater. He said: "Arthur, are you going to take this alternative approach?" And Arthur said: "I'm working with Gary. I've looked at all the stuff. He has given me tons of stuff to read about people who are alive and well. And it looks very promising." And then, Arthur left. And Bill said: "I hope he does it because he does NOT look well." And I said: "It's my opinion that he cannot make it another three months, based upon the deterioration in his muscle tissue." He was SEVERELY malnourished. And I asked him: "Arthur, have your doctors done a nutritional profile?" "No." And I said: "At the very least, even if you don't take the protocol, come in and start taking a vitamin drip. We'll get some B vitamins and vitamin C. Try to stop some of this [illness] progression on a nutritional level." And he said: "Oh, I'm into this. I take my vitamin C each day!" I said: "How much?" He said: "500 milligrams." I said: "500 milligrams? Arthur, we're talking about STARTING at 50,000 milligrams. 500 milligrams, when you're in advanced stages of immune suppression is NOT going to make a major difference." He says: "Well, you know, my DOCTORS say ....." And suddenly, it was back to the doctors. And yet, here are the doctors standing out there as if somehow they should share in the understanding of this condition. I'm sure they did the best they could. But it isn't the best that COULD be done. And so, people are going to think that: "Well, there it is. You have HIV. You have AIDS. And you die!" (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This information could benefit millions of people who have, or who will have the HIV virus. So please help to disseminate it by posting the episodes of this ongoing series to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. 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