From: sgriswold@igc.org (Susan Griswold)
Date: 08 Nov 91 04:11 PST
Subject: Re: A.CENTRAL: Congreso de Org. Indias
Message-ID: <1563600075@igc.org>

[ This is a translation of the original Spanish version of the text,
  which is attached.  --Gary ]

In response to Howard's request for a summary:  In this interview of
representatives of COI (Congress of Indian Organization of Central America),
the main topic of conversation is the unity and/or disunity of indigenous
organizations among themselves and with other popular organizations engaged in
opposition to official Quincentenary activities.  I offer here a very fast --
and unpolished! -- translation for interested people.  Susan Griswold
(sgriswold on PeaceNet, or griswoldsc.edu on Internet).

THE CONGRESS OF INDIAN ORGANIZATIONS

In March 1989 the Congress of Indian Organizations of Central America, Mexico
and Panama (COI) was organized as an effort to support "the formation and
consolidation of grassroots (base), authentic, and independent organizations
which carry forward their own projects in connection with the poor and
exploited sectors of national society" and "to foment the international unity
of indigenous peoples of the region with respect to the self determination of
their member organizations" (ALAI No. 116, Jun 89).

In order to have greater details about this organizing process, ALAI spoke with
some COI representatives who were present at the II Continental Encounter in
Xelaju:  Maria Elena Perez (native Yaki, Coordinator of the Mexican Council of
500 Years of Resistence),  Justo Gallego (leader of the Guaymi Liberation Front
of Panama), and Jaime Rodriguez (leader of the Kuna Youth Movement of Panama).

ALAI: (How do you evaluate COI's activities in the two and one-half years of
its existence?

JR: -In fact, we have really been able to do little in the coordination of
grassroots organizations, since we do not have the economic resources.  That
has really made it difficult for us to unify or coordinate the activities in
each country.  But we could say that there has been more communication between
Mexico, Guatemala, and Panama, but not so with other organizations.  Lately
communication with Costa Rica has improved.

Seeing that need, at the beginning of this year, each organization made an
effort to pass the travel costs for each delegate to discuss and analyze
progress... we have realized that our grassroots organizations, in one way or
another, have carried out various activities, but they have not had much
coordination.  For that reason we have decided to hold a conference, in the
framework of the 500 Years, to discuss and coordinate some immediate tasks.

Two central activities have emerged from that effort:  a conference on the
Convenio [Treaty] 169, and the organization of the II Congress in April or May,
1992, in Costa Rica.  Possibly we can discuss a more operative approach,
designed more for coordination, instead of an association based on one delegate
per country, because the directorate - we can be self critical - did not work,
because it was located in each country, and each organization had its own work
dynamic, its own economic and structural problems, so that made it hard for us.

In general, we can affirm that COI maintained its viability in the activities
of the different organizations, the project has been worked on in their events,
COI has a lot of support, the indigenous organizations see it as an
organization that can gather all the indigenous organizations together on a
Central American level.  And COI has prospect not only on a Central American
level but also on a world level.  Now it is up to us to carry forward this
great task that awaits us.

ALAI: (COI emerges as a critical position in response to the Regional
Coordination of Indian Peoples (CORPI), organization of the World Council of
Indian Peoples (CMPI).  Has that initial distance been maintained, or has some
mechanism for dialogue been established?

JR: -Let's say that until now, we at COI continue to maintain our critical
stance towards CORPI.  Even so, we maintain ties with some organizations that
are participating within CORPI.  Now, our position is that we should unify, but
unify with the grassroots organizations, not with the top.  The top does not
represent the interests of the base, because the bases are indeed conscious of
the fact that if we are divided, we cannot achieve what we want.  So we believe
that a friendly, respectful, dialogue must be established, which will benefit
our indigeous communities, which are the ones who are really suffering all the
troubles [evils] in each country.

Now, some sources of funding have been closed to both CORPI and CMPI, but the
Spanish government and the federal government of Canada are financing them to
hold parallel events in conjunction with the Continental Encounter of the 500
Years Campaign.
Before COI agreed, we in the indigenous organizations of Panama were active
participants in the accusations of misuse of funds and resources which were
picked up, which were projects for the bases and they were used for trips, for
sleeping in the best hotels, for drinking beer, and they did not really use
those resources for the projects on the agenda.

The fight was hard and we in the Central American indigenous organizations were
the first who began to denounce that on an international level.  Our South
American companions didn't understand, but today we can say that COI can be
proud of having been able to achieved their goal of denouncing those
opportunistic leaders, parasites on the indigenous organizations.  For example,
if we look at Ecuador, Colombia, all of
South American, they no longer believe in CMPI.  Even more in Central America,
where thousands and thousands of dollars have been used to be able to buy some
leaders, offering them beer, women, the best hotels... in comparison with other
indigenous or popular events, which make do with modest funds.

We're not saying that we cannot talk with those leaders.  I repeat, the
struggle is not for us to divide, but to unify first the indigenous
organizations, and later with the popular organizations.  (Because if we are
divided, what are we going to accomplish?

Our goal is not only for the sake of criticizing, but to find an adequate
solution to the problem, COI is demonstrating that and every day organizations
from each country keep on joining up.  I think that in the II Congress, COI is
going to come up quite strengthened, with a larger participation of base and
community organizations.  We have that hope of being able really to realize the
dream of the organizations that founded our COI.

ALAI: (What prospect is there that this initiative will reach a continental
level?

JG: -We could say really that COI could gather that force, but our objective is
not to create an apparatus for its own sake, but we would say rather a
coordinating structure for operating purposes, because we think that to create
an apparatus sometimes corrupts the leaders.

We are conscious of the fact that there are agencies that are not going to
finance projects in good faith, they are trying the divide the indigeous
movement or to isolate these organizations that are really trying to unify
common criteria, because the problem is not only the Indian's, the Indian is
not going to solve his problems single-handed.

We are clear about that, we are looking for real unity, mutual respect.  For
that reason, we think that to create another association like CMPI is not going
to lead anywhere.

We do think that in the future there can be a coordinating association on a
continental level.  We are already taking the first steps, which thanks to
three countries (Mexico, Guatemala, and Panama) these efforts are being made
with the support of our brothers in Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, who have seen
that we cannot create apparata, but rather a coordinating and operating
structure for concrete projects, concrete actions.

For that purpose, first we have to strengthen our indigenous organizations in
each country, because we do not agree that we should talk about unity among our
organizations only in conferences and encounters, if that does not yet happen
at the grassroots level in our countries.

ALAI: A few days ago COI held its first conference, (what are the most
significant resolutions they passed?

MEP: -Yes, we held our first conference from the 26th to the 28th of September
in San Cristbal de las Casas (Mexico).  Some 100 people, belonging to some 42
organizations, were there.  After making several denunciations, we presented
the alternative project.  The alternative project tried to present our demands
with regard to land, water, territory, the defense of our rights, respect for
our self determination, to gather a lot of grassroots strength.  In particular,
this conference agreed to demand that in each country a special office for the
defense of the rights of the Indians peoples be created, and that in 1992 an
international office or defense service be established.

JG: -In connection with the 500 Years of Resistance Campaign, COI, as an
indigenous organization, proposes also to participate in the program that is
being carried out on a continental level, especially in the indigenous
projects.  For that reason, in the first conference that was held, COI took on
the indigenous problems of different countries, from different areas, in order
to make concrete denunciations at the level of the international organizations
for human rights, for the environment, since the approval of Convenio [Treaty]
169.

So COI assumes responsibility for this part of the work on a continental level,
in order to combat politcally the celebration governments are planning, all
this by means of the denunciations made to all the associations which can
provide concrete answers to the needs of the native peoples living in the
countryside.

ALAI: One of the elements that identifies COI is having defined the indigenous
struggle within a popular framework.  It is known that relations with
campesinos, because they are marked by years of misunderstanding, are not
without tensions and difficulties.  (How do you evaluate this relationship?

MEP: -This relationship has come about especially with respect to the 500 Years
of indigenous, black, and popular resistance Campaign.  I think that COI could
have given a clearer response, but unfortunately we are not united in this
movement of 500 years of indigenous, black, and popular resistance:  we have
reached a point within the context, but disunited.  So, if we manage to
overcome this, our presence will be strengthened, we would have more strength,
but if not, the popular and black [movements] are going to gobble us up,
because they don't understand us, because ours in a different path, not because
we cannot fight, but they are three different situations.

In other words, I think that COI would be a good answer and would strengthen
the fight that is shaping up within the 500 Years of Resistance, but that was
not taken into acount and we at COI did not take on that fight.  It's a pity,
because it would strengthen our presence.

ALAI: (But how much of that rivalry would there be, considering that the
Campaign has been presented as a space in which various dynamics may converge?
JR: -Yes, when the Continental Campaign for 500 Years came into being as such
in Colombia, in a Latin American encounter of indigenous peoples and
campesinos, it is clear that a space for reflection, understanding, and
unification of common criteria was created.  We are clear about that.

Now what is happening at the Central American level is that many organizations
that are part of the COI do not participate in the national committees, with
the exception of Mexico or of Panama, we could say.  In Nicaragua, brothers of
the MISATAN (a Miskito group formed in 1984 to pressure the government), Susus,
Ramas, and also Sustiavas, we were talking and they said to us:  "They have
grabbed us just to go to encounters, but they haven't called us really to
work."  I was talking with brothers in Honduras, who said they were not
participating in the National Committee, but they were invited to this
Encounter.  So it is a movie screen so that they can say "there's an Indian."
The sisters are not full participants either.

So we see that often we have to see self critical, and I think that as long as
there is not a respectful, egalitarian participation within each national
committee, it's going to be very difficult for the COI organizations to be able
to strengthen that campaign, because we feel the discrimination in our own
flesh - sometimes even from our own leaders - when they see us as incapable of
leading a national or international organization.

Now, COI is determined to strengthen this 500 Years campaign, our first 500
Years conference was organized precisely for that purpose, because we felt that
our organizations were not represented.  So I think that in the future, let's
hope in the III Continental Encounter, all the organizations that belong to COI
will be present, that is our goal, as the National 500 Years Committee of
Panama, to try to help our members so that both sides will understand each
other, both the indigenous organizations and the popular organizations, because
sometimes we don't understand one another, we don't speak to each other
sincerely, or when we speak sincerely, they accuse us of being divisive.  So I
think there should be a deep discussion, with sincerity, so that we can say we
are united in practice.

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From: newsdesk@igc.org (News Desk)
Date: 06 Nov 91 09:06 PST
Subject: A.CENTRAL: Congreso de Org. Indias
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Can someone attach a summary of this important article?

Howard @ NewsDesk

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EL CONGRESO DE ORGANIZACIONES INDIAS

En marzo de 1989 surgi'o el Congreso de Organizaciones Indias de
Centroam'erica, M'exico y Panam'a (COI), como un esfuerzo para
apoyar "la formaci'on y consolidaci'on de organizaciones de base,
aut'enticas e independientes que impulsen sus propios proyectos
en vinculaci'on con los sectores pobres y explotados de la
sociedad nacional" e "impulsar la unidad internacional de los
pueblos ind'igenas de la regi'on en el respeto a la
autodeterminaci'on de sus organizaciones miembros" (ALAI No. 116,
junio 89).

Con el prop'osito de tener mayores elementos sobre este proceso
organizativo, ALAI convers'o con algunos representantes del COI
que estuvieron presentes en el II Encuentro Continental de
Xelaj'u: Mar'ia Elena P'erez (ind'igena yaki, Coordinadora del
Consejo Mexicano 500 Anhos de Resistencia), Justo Gallego
(dirigente del Frente de Liberaci'on Guaym'i de Panam'a) y Jaime
Rodr'iguez (dirigente del Movimiento Juventud Kuna de Panam'a).

ALAI: (C'omo eval'uan el desempenho del COI en estos dos anhos y
medio de existencia?

JR: -En realidad es poco lo que hemos podido hacer realmente en
cuestiones de coordinaci'on con las organizaciones de base, por
el hecho de que no tenemos los recursos econ'omicos.  Eso nos ha
dificultado realmente para unificar o coordinar las actividades
en cada pa'is.  Pero pudi'eramos decir que la comunicaci'on m'as
se ha dado entre M'exico, Guatemala y Panam'a, no as'i con otras
organizaciones.  Ultimamente ha mejorado la comunicaci'on con
Costa Rica.

Viendo esa necesidad, a principios de este anho, cada
organizaci'on hizo el esfuerzo de pagar el pasaje a cada delegado
para discutir y analizar el avance... nosotros nos hemos dado
cuenta que nuestras organizaciones de base, en una u otra forma,
han hecho diversas actividades, pero no han tenido cierta
coordinaci'on.  Por esta raz'on hemos decidido realizar una
conferencia, dentro del marco de los 500 Anhos, para discutir y
coordinar algunas tareas inmediatas.

Ah'i nacen dos actividades centrales: una conferencia sobre el
Convenio 169, y la realizaci'on del II Congreso en abril o mayo
de 1992, en Costa Rica.  Posiblemente podamos discutir una
instancia m'as operativa y m'as de coordinaci'on, en vez de una
estructura de cada delegado por pa'is, porque la directiva -
podemos ser autocr'iticos- no funcion'o, porque estaba en cada
pa'is, mientras que cada organizaci'on ten'ia su propia din'amica
de trabajo, sus propios problemas econ'omicos y de estructura,
entonces eso nos dificult'o.

A grandes rasgos, podemos afirmar que el COI mantiene su vigencia
en las actividades de las diferentes organizaciones, en sus
eventos, se ha trabajado el proyecto, el COI tiene mucha
simpat'ia, lo ven las organizaciones ind'igenas como una
instancia que puede aglutinar a todas las organizaciones
ind'igenas a nivel centroamericano. Y no solamente a nivel
centroamericano, sino a nivel mundial, el COI tiene perspectiva.
Ahora est'a en nosotros llevar adelante esa gran tarea que nos
espera.

ALAI: El COI surge como una posici'on cr'itica frente a la
Coordinadora Regional de Pueblos Indios (CORPI), instancia del
Consejo Mundial de Pueblos Indios (CMPI).  (Se ha mantenido esa
distancia inicial o se ha establecido alg'un mecanismo de
di'alogo?

JR: -Digamos que hasta ahora, como COI, seguimos manteniendo
nuestra posici'on cr'itica hacia CORPI.   A'un as'i, mantenemos
v'inculos con algunas organizaciones que participan dentro de
CORPI.  Ahora, nuestra posici'on es que debemos unificarnos, pero
unificarnos con las organizaciones de base, no con la c'upula.
La c'upula no representa los intereses de las bases, porque las
bases s'i son conscientes que divididos no podemos lograr lo que
queremos.  Entonces nosotros creemos que hay que establecer un
di'alogo amistoso, de respeto, del cual salgan beneficiadas
nuestras comunidades ind'igenas, que son las que realmente sufren
todos los males de cada pa'is.

Ahora, tanto a CORPI como al CMPI se les ha cerrado algunos
financiamientos, pero el gobierno espanhol y el gobierno federal
de Canad'a les est'an financiando para hacer eventos paralelos al
Encuentro Continental de la Campanha 500 Anhos.

Antes de que se conforme el COI, las organizaciones ind'igenas de
Panam'a tuvimos una participaci'on activa en las denuncias de mal
manejo de fondos y recursos que se captaron, que eran proyectos
para las bases y se los utilizaban en los viajes, en dormir en
los mejores hoteles, brindar cerveza y no utilizar esos recursos
realmente en los proyectos que se presentaron.

Fue dura la lucha y las organizaciones centroamericanas
ind'igenas fuimos las primeras que comenzamos a denunciar eso a
nivel internacional.  Los companheros de Sur Am'erica no
entend'ian, pero hoy en d'ia podemos decir que el COI se puede
sentir orgulloso de haber podido cumplir con su objetivo de
denunciar a esos dirigentes oportunistas, vividores de las
organizaciones ind'igenas.  Por ejemplo, si miramos en Ecuador,
Colombia, todo lo que es Sur Am'erica, ya no creen m'as en el
CMPI.  M'as a'un en Centroam'erica, en donde han utilizado miles
y miles de d'olares para poder comprar algunos dirigentes,
ofreciendoles cerveza, mujeres, los mejores hoteles... en
comparaci'on de otros eventos ind'igenas o populares, que lo
hacen modestamente.

Nosotros no estamos diciendo que no podamos conversar con esos
dirigentes.  Repito, la lucha no es dividir, sino unificarnos
primero las organizaciones ind'igenas, posterior con las
organizaciones populares.  (Porque si todos estamos divididos,
qu'e vamos a conseguir?

Nuestra meta no es solamente por criticar, sino para darle
soluci'on adecuada, el COI est'a demostrando eso y cada d'ia se
siguen sumando organizaciones de cada pa'is.  Pienso que en el II
Congreso, el COI va a salir bastante fortalecido, con mayor
participaci'on de organizaciones de base y de las comunidades.
Tenemos esa esperanza de poder cumplir realmente con el suenho
que han tenido nuestras organizaciones fundadoras del COI.

ALAI: (Qu'e perspectivas hay de que esta iniciativa se proyecte a
nivel continental?

JG: -Podr'iamos decir realmente que el COI pudiera aglutinar esa
fuerza, pero nuestro objetivo no es crear aparatos por crear,
sino m'as dir'iamos una instancia de coordinaci'on de cuestiones
operativas, porque pensamos que crear aparatos a veces corrompe a
los dirigentes.

Somos conscientes nosotros que hay agencias que no van a
financiar proyectos con buena fe, tratan de dividir al movimiento
ind'igena o aislarlo de otras organizaciones que realmente tratan
de unificar criterios comunes, porque el problema no es s'olo del
indio, el indio no va a resolver sus problemas solo.

En eso estamos claros, estamos buscando la unidad real, el
respeto mutuo.  A base de eso, pensamos nosotros que crear otra
estructura tipo CMPI, no nos va a llevar a ning'un lado.

S'i pensamos que puede haber en el futuro una instancia de
coordinaci'on a nivel continental.  Ya estamos dando los primeros
pasos, que gracias a tres pa'ises (Mexico, Guatemala y Panam'a),
se est'a llevando estos esfuerzos con el apoyo de los hermanos de
Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, que han visto que no podemos crear
aparatos, sino una instancia de coordinaci'on y de operatividad
para trabajos concretos, acciones concretas.

Para eso, primero tenemos que fortalecer nuestras organizaciones
ind'igenas en cada pa'is, porque no estamos de acuerdo que
solamente en conferencias, en encuentros, hablemos de unidad
entre nuestras organizaciones ind'igenas, si en las bases de
nuestros pa'ises no hay a'un eso.

ALAI: Hace pocos d'ias el COI realiz'o su primera conferencia,
(cu'ales son las resoluciones m'as significativas que acordaron?

MEP: -Efectivamente, del 26 al 28 de septiembre en San Crist'obal
de las Casas (M'exico) realizamos nuestra primera conferencia.
Ah'i estuvieron unas 100 personas pertenecientes a unas 42
organizaciones.  Luego de hacer varias denuncias, presentamos el
proyecto alternativo.  El proyecto alternativo trataba de
presentar nuestras demandas en cuanto a la tierra, el agua, el
territorio, la defensa de nuestros derechos, el respeto a nuestra
autodeterminaci'on, a unir muchas fuerzas de base.  En
particular, esta conferencia acord'o exigir que en cada pa'is se
cree una procuradur'ia especial de defensa de los derechos de los
pueblos indios y que en el 92 se concretice una defensor'ia o
procuradur'ia internacional.

JG: -A ra'iz de la Campanha 500 Anhos de Resistencia, el COI,
como organizaci'on ind'igena, se plantea tambi'en enmarcarse
dentro del programa que se est'a llevando a nivel continental,
sobre todo de los trabajos ind'igenas.  Por esta raz'on, en la
primera conferencia que se realiz'o, el COI toma como suyos los
problemas ind'igenas de diferentes pa'ises, de diferentes 'areas,
para hacer denuncias concretas a nivel de los organismos de
car'acter internacional, de derechos humanos, de medio ambiente,
a partir de la aprobaci'on del Convenio 169.

Entonces el COI asume esta parte del trabajo a nivel del
Continente, para contrarrestar pol'iticamente la celebraci'on que
los gobiernos pretenden, todo esto por medio de las denuncias a
todas las instancias que puedan dar respuestas concretas a las
necesidades de los ind'igenas en el campo.

ALAI: Uno de los puntos que le dan perfil propio al COI, es el de
haberse planteado la lucha ind'igena en un marco de car'acter
popular.  Se sabe que las relaciones con el campo popular, por el
hecho de estar marcadas por anhos de incomprensi'on, no est'an
exentas de tensiones y dificultades.  (C'omo eval'uan ustedes
esta relaci'on?

MEP: -Esta relaci'on se ha dado sobre todo respecto a la Campanha
500 anhos de resistencia ind'igena, negra y popular.  Pienso que
el COI hubiera podido dar una respuesta m'as clara, pero
desgraciadamente no estamos unidos en este moviviento de 500
anhos de resistencia ind'igena, negra y popular: llegamos dentro
del contexto, pero desunidos.  Entonces, si logramos superar
esto, se fortalecer'ia nuestra presencia, tendr'iamos m'as
fuerza, porque sino lo popular y negro nos van a comer, porque no
nos entienden, porque es otro nuestro caminar, no porque no
podamos dar la lucha, pero son tres situaciones que se dan.

O sea, pienso que el COI ser'ia una buena respuesta y
fortalecer'ia la lucha que se est'a dando dentro de los 500 Anhos
de Resistencia, pero eso no se tom'o en cuenta y nosotros como
COI no dimos esa lucha.  Es una l'astima, porque fortalecer'ia
m'as nuestra presencia.

ALAI: (Pero en qu'e medida habr'ia esa rivalidad, siendo que esta
Campanha ha sido presentada como un espacio de confluencia de
din'amicas?

JR: -S'i, cuando la Campanha Continental por los 500 Anhos surge
como tal en Colombia, en un encuentro latinoamericano de
ind'igenas y campesinos, es claro que se crea un espacio de
reflexi'on, de entendimiento, de unificar criterios comunes.  En
eso estamos claros.

Ahora, lo que ocurre a nivel centroamericano es que muchas
organizaciones que son parte del COI no participan en los
comit'es nacionales, a excepci'on de M'exico o de Panam'a
pudi'eramos decir.  En Nicaragua, companheros del MISATAN (grupo
miskito formado en 1984 para hacer presiones al gobierno), Sumus,
Ramas y tambi'en de Sustiavas, estuvimos conversando y nos
dec'ian: "a nosotros nos han agarrado solamente para ir a
encuentros, pero no nos han llamado realmente a trabajar".   Yo
estuve hablando con companheros de Honduras, que dijeron no estar
participando en el Comit'e Nacional, pero que se les invit'o a
este Encuentro.  Entonces es una pantalla decir "all'i est'a un
indio".  Las companheras tampoco est'an de lleno.

Entonces vemos que muchas veces tenemos que ser autocr'iticos, y
pienso que mientras no se de una participaci'on respetuosa,
igualitaria, dentro de cada comit'e nacional, va a ser muy
dif'icil que las organizaciones del COI puedan fortalecer esa
campanha, porque nosotros sentimos en carne propia la
discriminaci'on -a veces hasta de nuestros propios dirigentes-,
cuando nos ven como incapaces de poder dirigir una organizaci'on
nacional o internacional.

Ahora, el COI est'a decidido a fortalecer esta campanha de los
500 Anhos, precisamente por eso se organiz'o nuestra primera
conferencia de los 500 anhos, porque sent'iamos que nuestras
organizaciones no estaban representadas.  Entonces pienso que en
el futuro, ojal'a en el III Encuentro Continental, est'en todas
las organizaciones que pertenecen a la COI, ese es nuestro
objetivo, como Comit'e Nacional de Panam'a, de los 500 Anhos, de
tratar de ayudar a los companheros que nos comprendamos ambos
lados, tanto las organizaciones ind'igenas como las
organizaciones populares, porque a veces no nos entendemos, no
nos hablamos con sinceridad, o cuando hablamos con sinceridad,
nos tratan de que somos divisionistas.  Entonces pienso que debe
haber una discusi'on a fondo, con sinceridad, para poder decir en
la pr'actica estamos unidos.


ALAI
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