Welcome to... _________________________________________________ | \ | S T R A N G E W A Y S > |________________________________________________/ A forum for Morrissey and The Smiths. Volume 1, Issue #13 To post to Strangeways, please send mail to Kevin at kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu. To join the mailing list, please send mail to Michael at Michael.C.Massengale% mac.dartmouth.edu. <-----> Date: 2 Apr 91 09:24:00 EDT From: "MAPLE::AXEMAN" Subject: Our Frank Hey all, This is my first post so please bear with me. In fact, I am very new to Morrissey and especially The Smiths (although I have been receiving this journal since #1). I started liking Morrissey in about the second week of February. I got hooked when I heard the great song "Everyday is Like Sunday" from Bona Drag. Now I have "Kill Uncle" and "Bona Drag" by Morrissey and I just (last week) got "Louder Than Bombs" and "Rank" by The Smiths. Anyway just last Saturday (March 30) I saw Morrissey's newest release, "Our Frank" in its typical cd maxi-single form, with 3 tracks. It was $5.99 (US release) and contained : 1. Our Frank 2. (some new B-side which I forgot the name of, sorry) 3. Tony The Pony I would have bought it but I didn't feel like spending 6 bucks on one song (as most or all of you already know, Tony The Pony is available on the "Kill Uncle" cd. Just thought I'd let y'all know it was out for a reasonable price in the US (unlike MANY Morrissey singles, which are only available from England and run you about $10.99 for 3 to 4 songs!!) :( Take care everyone. Gregg Brown <-----> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 11:37 EST From: JXD122%psuvm.psu.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Strangeways In response to recent questions/comments: The Wolverhampton bootleg is of very poor quality. A compact disc of that show is not available, and, judging by the quality of the vinyl copy I have, should not be. A quick comparison of sound on the bootleg vs. Hulmerist (Sister I'm A Poet) will give you some idea of just how poor it is. In Summary: don't buy this bootleg. Suedehead/Everyday Is Like Sunday single discs are great but expensive if you c an find them. Two songs on Suedehead aren't available anywhere else, 'I Know V ery Well How I Got My Name' and 'I'll Never Learn'. Good Stuff. Has anyone heard 'Journalists Who Lie' off the 'Our Frank' single? How is it? JD <-----> From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu Subject: Morrissey singles - Reply to JD I think "Journalists Who Lie" is a better song than "Tony the Pony", but that's just my silly opinion. Also the "Everyday Is Like Sunday" has "Sister I'm A Poet " on it and "Will Never Marry", but I think that's on _Bona Drag_. I wonder why "Sister I'm A Poet" is not on _Bona Drag_. That was a real good song. BTW, why are the Suedehead and Everyday is Like Sunday CD singles so expensive? I've seen them for $11.99 (standard import CD price). I think the CDs Michael was asking about are the "promotional " CDs that they distribute to radio stations for free. Of course not all radio stations play Morrissey so a number fo thenm have come out on the market. They're really not worth buying since they just have one song on it. (I've got "Suedehead"). I don't know how much they are going for, though. =K= <-----> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 23:11 EST From: JPBAKER%IUBACS.BITNET%uicvm.uic.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Strangeways As I sit here and type with all my broken off nails... I am working on sending Michael my two bootlegs. (Sorry about the delay!) I got _Our Frank_, and I am very sure I have seen US printings of it, as Tracks (CD mainly chain store) is selling it for $11.99. Personally, I love it. I agree completely with Moz when he said the lyrics were better than _Viva Hate_. "Driving Your Girlfriend Home" is excellent in its he-said/she-said format. To me this album hits me more at home than Viva (not that Viva is a bad album!), and the pseudo-happy (and sometimes dissappointingly generic) background music gives a sharp contrast to the mocking lyrics. ("Our Frank", "King Leer".) "Found Found Found" is neat but WAY too short, as is "There's a Place in Hell...". What is the deal with "Tony the Pony"? No lyrics, and it messes up the feel of the album. Putting it after "...place in hell..." is just too much of a transition. His voice is wonderful, as usual, but the songs don't seem to stretch it as much as other songs. Its as if he is singing off a song sheet rather than feeling the songs. "Angel, Angel" (forget the real title) off of Viva seemed more of something he experienced as he sang rather than just read. Then again, if you take "Our Frank" as setting the mood, maybe its more to show a relaxation time. Don't know, but I love the album. Its really relaxing. (I suppose that his emotional attachment to each song varies actually. Just seems like something is different.) [Feel free to edit this...its a lot longer than I meant it to be.] Jon <-----> Subject: Random hokey-pokey Date: Wed, 03 Apr 91 09:33:26 PST From: Shaun Case > OK, I just talked to Nicole (yes, as in telephones) and she is of the opinion > that I could set up a system like other-voices where posts would go out > automatically. I'll check it out -- my classes don't start 'till Wednesday > anyway. Also, she says, as I suspected (which is why I asked abou this > earlier) that her lyrics files are HUGE. So I have no idea how we'd want to > handle it. In any case, this might be the beginning of the solution to our > imminent problems of summer breaks, etc. We'll see. I much prefer the digest version, for two reasons: 1) I can get a big glop of Moz stuff all at once, and peruse it at my leisure, rather than having messages trickle in all the time, cluttering up my mailbox. 2) I archive Strangeways and make it available on my BBS in my Music download section, and it is a lot less work when I can deal with a few large files, rather than a bazillion small ones. Also, I have a lot of lyrics and other related musical stuff, about 2 megs, and I'd like to get in touch with Nicole to possibly swap textfiles. I don't receive the _other-voices_ list, so could someone please post or email me her address? Also, if anyone else is interested, I can send you a copy of my current list. It covers everything from folk and pop to metal and industrial... but that's not really Morrissey related, so I'll stop. > Lyrics I can get working on. I've got the Morrissey lyrics in > Word Perfect (2 column format, 8 point TR) which really makes > it look great. I don't know what everyone else is using so > I don't want to just send out a WP format. What I may do is > convert everything into an ascii file and compress and uuencode > it, sending it out to anyone who is interested. If there's > enough demand, I'll just send it out with an issue of > Strangeways. I'm very interested in it, either by mail or in strangeways. Maybe a special lyrics-only issue is in order... > A bit concerning the question of which S-T-E-V-E-N is supposed to > P-U-S-H-O-double F. Although Ouija Board was not produced by Street, it was > co-authored by him. I suppose that the music could've been his and the lyrics Heh, Moz uses run-length encoding compression in his songs, but he doesn't ' use lower case... Must be a new user. :-) > V123QNNW@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, V128NKEJ@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu, > zarobsky@gn.ecn.purdue.edu, dp@u.washington.edu, > strandst@brownvm.brown.edu, mjb@media-lab.media.mit.edu, [... etc...] Just wondering about these overflow headers.. are all these people getting their copies of strangeways, and is there anyway to keep them from appearing at the end of the digest? Not to bitch and moan or anything, I love Strangeways, but every time I archive a copy away, I have to manually cut the stuff out, and there sure is a lot of it. Just curious. [I'll look into it. We're going to try to fix a lot of things, and come up with a solution for the problem of summer vacation. Any suggestions? -M] Shaun Case: shaunc@gold.gvg.tek.com or atman%ecst.csuchico.edu@RELAY.CS.NET or Shaun Case of 1:119/666.0 (Fidonet) or 1@9651 (WWIVnet) - --- It's enough to destroy a young moose's faith! <-----> [ Here is the announcement for the new Cure mailing list "Babble" (if for some reason you haven't already seen it). Be sure to subscribe to the format you want as there has been a lot of arguments about moderation. =K= ] | ) /\ | )( || |_ | )/ \| )( ||__|__ The mailing list for discussion about and of the musical group "The Cure". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - There are actually two lists you can subscribe to. One being moderated, the other being unmoderated and instantaneous. 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Here is a sample: discography: A complete discography for The Cure and Robert Smith history: History of The Cure tape.offer: A couple of tape offers ov.archive: This is a directory of the 'other-voices' archives. All files are in compressed form. If you do not know how to unpack these, ask your local UNIX guru. Chances are, if you have a specific question about The Cure, it has already been asked and is contained within. intro.txt: This file help.txt: Help on using the server. This file is also sent if you send a HELP request to the server. LOG: The log of moderated discussions over the past month. Unmoderated discussions are not saved. Earlier months are saved as compressed files with the date for their name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - <-----> From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu Subject: Creem interview Greetings. Has anyone read both the SPIN and Creem interviews about Morrissey? Are they the same interview or are they different? I picked up the copy of SPIN magazine and the Morrissey interview is quite interesting. Should I also look for the Creem issue? =K= [They're quite different. The Creem article was better, IMHO. -M] <-----> From: Simon Hughes Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 16:53:58 BST Subject: Strangeways: Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want Pete Ashdown writes >Has anyone ever managed to find a copy of Dream Academy's instrumental of >"Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want"? A version of this, with vocals, was released over here (UK) as a single. Simon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Simon Hughes, Dept. of Computing, Imperial College. Email: sph@doc.ic.ac.uk