Welcome to... _________________________________________________ | \ | S T R A N G E W A Y S > |________________________________________________/ A forum for Morrissey and The Smiths. Volume 1, Issue #2 Let's get some information flowing...this is starting to work! It looks like I'll be sending something out more or less daily depending on a) how busy I am, and b) how many and how large of posts I get. Keep it coming!! =K= ----- Date: 25 Feb 91 13:46:26 From: Nicole.E.Nelson%mac.dartmouth.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Strangeways Marr- has been picked up by the talking heads-again Nicol [ Talking Heads?!? When's their next album coming out? I thought they had disbanded after Byrne went off on his solo career. -K ] ----- Date: 25 Feb 91 16:56:00 From: Nicole.E.Nelson%mac.dartmouth.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Strangeways Here's a little Intro My name is Nicole, i am also a dartmouth student(93). I live in NYC- which happens to have a very large Smiths/Morrissey following. I have been following Moz, and the gang since around 84/85. The first tune that I ever heard was Suffer Little Children and Reel Around the Fountain. For me it is impossible to have a "favorite Song" because Moz/Marr wrote so many things together. I have never seen Moz in concert for two rasons 1) Moz cancelled several of his shows in NYC on the Queen is dead tour 2) On the same tour (early date) i had i previous engagment that couldn't broken so I am one of the long time suffering Smiths Fan My thoughts On Moz solo Well, I don't think that people should compare his work to that of the Smiths. Moz has been a pretty good by himself. I know that many were disappointed by Viva Hate, because they didn't have that "smiths" sound, though i wonder what Marr would have done with Sudehead and Everyday is Like Sunday- because they are WONDERFUL and SIMPLY CHARMING. I didn't like the fact that Moz put out several singles and then a comp album. How does the line go "Re-issue, Re-package, Re-evaluate the songs....." I realise that HMV/EMI had a lot to do with that . on the most part has singles have been good, with the exception of Ouija Board- which I think is weak as a single but great on Bona Drag. I heard that Moz was going to tour the states the spring. I think that we all should remember that even if dates are set, that doesn't mean he is going to perform. Moz has a rep. of cancelling shows. I heard that he real doesn't like to tour, and if anyone has seen him in concert or the video Sister I'm a Poet, knows why. I have some questions Who, besides myself has The World Won't Listen on CD.- it's only an import on CD, i think. Who is the cover star on Hatful of Hollow??? Does anyone has the boot of with Wonderful Woman with different lyrics And- does anyone have the single This Charming Man New York/ This Charming Man Manchester. If anyone wants a Smiths discography I should be typing one in soon. Nicole People see no worth in you oh but I do. ----- From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu Subject: Strangeways I think just about everyone who's a Smiths fan must have The World Won't Listen or at least heard of it. Most won't buy it because the songs have all been released on other compilation albums. I don't know why Rough Trade released _the World Won't Listen_ and _Louder Than Bombs_ (the first in the UK, the latter in the US) within a few months of each other. Especially since they both contain almost the same songs! Hmmm. Just for the record, I have the CD (yes, import only). Morrissey said in an interview (at KROQ) that he enjoyed releasing singles and wasn't really an "album" person. Don't expect too much from the album...I think EMI/HMV is forcing him to do something a bit longer than a single. I'm glad I'm not the only one who found _Bona Drag_ a little disappointing. Can't answer any of the other questions. Just send the discography to Strangeways. =K= ----- Date: 25 Feb 91 18:27:25 From: Michael.C.Massengale%mac.dartmouth.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: STRANGEWAYS: James cover? Found this interesting tidbit in a James discography... >The Smiths covered a James song - >'What's The World', on their cassingle >'I Started Something I Couldn't Finish'. Has anybody heard this? Is this track available on CD? And for that matter, what Smiths tracks are unavailable on CD? I guess we'd know if we had a complete discography. If there are enough tracks (I personally thought they were all out on CD), maybe we could make a compilation cassette. Michael ----- Date: 25 Feb 91 19:05:49 From: Nicole.E.Nelson%mac.dartmouth.edu@ICS.UCI.EDU Subject: Discography The Smiths Discography Hand in Glove/Handsome Devil May 1983 This Charming Man/Jeane Nov 83 This Charming Man(manchester) /This Charming Man(London)/ Accept Yourself/ Wonderful Woman 12" Nov 83 This Charming Man New York/ This Charming Man(instrumental Dec. 1883 What Difference Does IT Make/ Back To The Old House Jan 1984 What Difference Does It Make/ Back to The Old House/ These Thingsd Take Time 12" Feb 84 Hand In Glove/ I Don't Owe You Anything(Sandie Shaw w/The Smiths) April 84 Hand in Glove/ I Don't Owe You Anything/Jeane( Sandie Shaw w/The Smiths) 12" April 84 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now/ Suffer Little Children May 84 Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now/ Suffere Little Children/ Girl Afraid 12" May 84 William It Was Really Nothing/ Please PLease Let Me Get What I Want Aug 1984 William It Was Really Nothing/ Please PLease Let Me Get What I Want/ How Soon Is Now 12" Aug 1984 How Soon IS Now/ Well I Wonder Feb 85 How Soon Is Now/ Well I Wonder/ Oscillate Wildly Feb 85 Shakespeare's Sister/ What She Said March 85 That Joke Isn't Funny Any More/ Meat Is Murder(live) July 85 That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore/ Nowhere Fast(live)/ Stretch Out And Wait(live)/ Shakespeare's Sister(live)/ Meat Is Murder(live) July 85 Big Mouth Strikes Again/ Money Changes Everything May 86 Big Mouth Strikes Again/ Money CHanges Everything/ Unloveable 12" may 86 Panic/ Vicar In A Tutu July 86 Panic/ Vicar In A Tutu/ The Draize Train 12" July 86 Ask/Cemetery Gates Oct 86 Ask/Cemetery Gates/ Golden Lights 12" Oct 86 Shoplifters Of The World Unite/ Half A Person Jan 87 Shoplifters of The World Unite/ Half A Person/London 12" Jan 87 You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby/ Half A Person/London (mispress 12" jan 87) Sheila Take A Bow/ Is It really So Strange/ Sweet And Tender Hooligan 12" April 87 Girlfriend In A Coma/ I Keep Mine Hidden July 87 Girlfriend In A Coma/ I keep Mine Hidden/ Work Is A For Letter Word 12" July 87 I Started Something I Couldn't Finish? Pretty Girls Make Graves/ Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others 12" Oct 87 Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me/ Rusholme Ruffians Dec 87 Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me /Rusholme Ruffians/ Nowhere Fast 12" dec 87 Albums THE SMITHS Released Februray 84 Reel Around The Fountain/You've Got Everything Now/Miserable Lie/Pretty Girls Make Graves/ The Hand That Rocks The Cradle/ Still Ill/Hand In Glove/ What Difference Does It Make/ I Don't Owe You Anything/ Suffer Little Children Hatful Of Hollow Released November 84 William It Was Really Nothing/ What Difference Does It Make / These Things Take Time/ This Charmong Man/ How Soon Is Now/ Handsome Devil/ Hand In Glove/ Still ILL/Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now/This Night Has Opened My Eyes/You've Got Everything Now/ Accept Yourself/Girl Afraid/Back To The Old House/ Reel Around The Fountain/ Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want. Meat Is Murder Released Febuary 1985 The Headmaster Ritual/Rusholme Ruffians/ I Want The One I Can't Have/ What She Said/ That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore/ Nowhere Fast/ Well I Wonder/ Barbarism Begins At Home/ Meat Is Murder. The Queen Is Dead Released June 1986 The Queen Is Dead/ Frankly Mr. Shankly/I Know It's All Over/ never Had No Ever/Cemetery Gates /Big Mouth Strikes Again/The Boy With A Thorn In His Side/ Vicar In A Tutu/ There Is A Light That Never Goes Out/Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others. The World Won't Listen Released March 87 Panic/Ask/London/Big Mouth Strikes Again/ Shakespeare's Sister/There is a Light That Never Goes Out/Shoplifters Of The World Unite/The Boy With The Thorn In His Side/Asleep/Unloveable/Half A Person/Stretch Out And Wait/ That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore/Oscillate Wildly/ You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby/ Rubber Ring. Louder Than Bombs Sire (Double Us Import) Release April 1987 Is It Really So Strange/Sheila Take A Bow/Shoplifters Of The World Unite/Sweet and Tender Hooligan/Half A Person/ London/Panic/Girl Afraid/Shakespeare's Sister/William It Was Really Nothing/You Just Haven't Earned It Yet,Baby/ Heavens Knows I'm Miserable Now/Ask/Golden Lights/Oscillate Wildly/These Things Take Time/Rubber Ring/Back To The Old House/Hand In Glove/Stretch Out And Wait/ Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want/This Night Has Opened My Eyes/Unlovable/Asleep Strangeways Here We Come September 1987 A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours/I Started Something I Couldn't Finished/ Death Of A Disco Dancer/Girlfriend In A Coma/Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before/Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me/Unhappy Birthday/Paint A Vulgar Picture/Death At One's Elbow/ I Won't Share You Notes: All Of The Singles and Album are Rough Trade except when listed. The single This Charming Man New York/ This Charming Man(instrumental) was intended to be a DJ pressing, a DANCE MIX. Everyone will notice that How Soon Is Now is not listed Meat Is Murder. This is becasue orginally the song was not suppose to be on the album. It is not list on on the album, but only on the CD and Tape.I may be wrong but i do not think it is on the import. The World Won't Listen is a comp of Moz's favorite songs. Where as Louder Than Bombs is a combination of Hatful of Hollow and The World Won't Listen Stretch Out And Wait on The World Won't Listen and Louder Than Bombs but the words are a little different. When Louder Than Bombs was first released it was packaged wrong. The A/B album was The Smiths . Most Of them have been sent back. How do I know this- i have it and I bought it for $3.00 when it came out. It is very hard, next to impossible to Find The World Won't Listen on Cass. or Cd in a store in the states. It is not listed as an import, but i think that is the only way one can get them. [ I've managed to find this CD at any good import store. There's no way you're ever going to find either _The World Won't Listen_ or _Hatful Of Hollow_ at a "mainstream domestic" records store unless you're very lucky. If you're in the Orange County area, there are two real good CD/import stores that carry just about everything by the Cure, the Smiths, Morrissey, etc. One's called the Record PX in Fountain Valley and the other is Hyde Park Corner in Irvine. (I don't have their addresses but I can give anyone directions if they ask). =K= ] I didn't included the 3 Peel Sessions. On The Moz Discography Hairdresser on Fire Is listed on Viva Hate . It should be noted that it appears on on the CD and Cassette. All of the UK singles of Moz are released on his Master's Voice. ----- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 91 19:16:51 -0500 From: Michael Arras Subject: Strangeways Someone once told me that at one time all of The Smiths were vegetarians. After listening to Meat is Murder, I think that there must be some truth to that. Can anyone confirm/discount a rumor that any of The Smiths was at least at one time a vegetarian? Mike Arras arras@icase.edu ----- From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu Subject: Peel Sessions Nicole states that there are three peel sessions. I only recall one on CD. Anyone else know anything about this and where I can find the other two peel sessions? The one I'm refering to was recorded on 18 May 1983 and has the songs "What Difference Does It Make", "Miserable Lie", "Reel Around the Fountain" (excellent version) and "Handsome Devil". Peel Sessions are essentially for new, struggling bands that are trying to get some play time. Since the Smiths literally hit it off with their first few singles, I don't think they ever really needed to record a second (or even third) peel session. Of course there's always the possibility that I'm wrong :-). That's why you don't see Peel Sessions of bands after they've "made it big". Does anyone know if there was ever a Morrissey Peel Session. I kind of doubt it (because of the above reasons), but just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Last item: has anyone heard of something called "the Attic Sessions"? KROQ was playing some accoustic sets by the Smiths from this album. I think it's a weekly show over in the UK. The radio station played an outstanding accoustic version of "There is a Light That Never Goes Out". =K= ------