COUSINS ISSUE #6 - June 1992 A place for the Witches, pagans, nature spirits, fey-folk, and assorted elder kin of Sherwood to share ideas, challenges, dreams, and projects, and to stir up a little magic of our own. for more information about Cousins, contact Susan Gavula, sjgavula@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu This Issue's Fun Word: GNOSIS Knowledge of spiritual truth and of the deeper wisdom that is concealed from those without the necessary faith or insight. (Thanks to: Sharon Wells) Gnosis: A Journal of the Western Inner Traditions is also the name of a wonderful magazine, centered on Gnosticism but touching on all kinds of themes from psychology to religious history. And talk about a source of Fun Words! If you can wring any meaning out of my run-on sentences, you'll probably enjoy Gnosis (P.O. Box 14217, San Francisco, CA 94114). LETTERS Sharon Wells ...I won't go back to all the earlier issues, but try to contain my comments to those of the March 1992 issue. First off, I don't agree with Janet V. about some of her comments on Loxley. I do not believe that in The Greatest Enemy he was "truly and sincerely dead." Sorry, but there's magic in Robin, magic woven through the light and shadows of Sherwood (the Goddess), too much magic to believe that the totally earth-bound Sheriff could do him in. I also believe that the red garter, while maybe done unconsciously by Robin (and/or Carpenter and the costumer), was meant to represent his role as leader in the (coven?) semi-occult doings of the men of Sherwood (in service to the Goddess and Herne). Perhaps, compared to Herne, he was still a neophyte, but according to Much, Robin had always been fey. In Christine H's letter, she addresses the problem fan-writers have balancing magic with too much magic. I agree, I don't want to read about super heroes, but I do enjoy it when that special inner power of Herne, the Hooded Man, or Marion comes to the fore, and what would de Belleme be without his bad-guy magic? And she also talks about Loxley being vulnerable. That's one of his endearing traits. He can make mistakes. He's not some coddled prince who has only to wave his hand and everyone will listen to him and change their ways. No, he has to fight for every step, and there seems no end in sight to the greed and evil of the powerful rich who so thoughtlessly trample the helpless poor. I also disagree with the Sacrificial King business. That is Mithras, not Robin Hood. To totally change the subject, in the "Classics Illustrated" version of Ivanhoe, published by Berkley/First Publishing, you will find that the Robin Hood character dresses exactly like the RoS Loxley, and if you turn to page 32, you will see him drawn to look exactly like Michael! The artist seems a little timid about this, because in other illustrations the same character has a different face. Being what you might call a "Michael-ite," I find most of my ruminations revolving around the first two seasons of RoS; however, as you pointed out over and over again in the first four issues of Cousins, what about Robert? Why is he here? Does he even have any idea about things fey? And, what does he do after Marion leaves? I had to handle all those questions for a RoS novel I was writing, and I began to be more sympathetic to Robert and his motivations. I came up with my own theories, which I won't spell out here, but needless to say, Kip left us plenty of room to speculate there. Someone as down to earth as Huntingdon had to have solid reasons (at least to himself) for doing what he did. And I don't think someone that strong, that well able to fend for himself, would just throw up his hands and die when Marion left. No, he's too much the leader for that. He had visions (if not the psychic kind Loxley had), and I think Robert would continue to be a driving force for good in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, and Lincolnshire. For those of you who would like a general overview of magic and religion throughout history, there is the Manly P. Hall tome entitled: Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy. Long enough title? He does not go into anything Celtic, but does mention familiar things like Woden, Fenris, fairies (which he claims comes from the Persian word "peri") and a whole lot more. I know it's been answered ad nauseam, but there is a big difference between the "wee people" (who are more like leprechauns) and elves (or Sidhe - pronounced "shay"). It was believed for some time that the Tuatha De Danann were the taller sort of elves. The High King of the Tuatha De Danann was the bearer of many titles and the source of many legends. His chief title, Dagda, meant the "Good God." I prefer Tolkien's description of the elves. (Who said it's fiction? I believe every word.) In most of the elven legends, there is always a price to pay when the elf leaves his or her world to love a human. The price is usually death to one or both. As mentioned in prior issues of Cousins, many fan writers tend to cast Loxley as having some elven blood. Perhaps that is due, in large part, to Michael Praed's face. Who knows? Perhaps Ailric's death (and the absence of his wife) is the price Ailric had to pay for loving someone with less (or more) than human blood in her veins. No one has really mentioned de Rainault in here thus far, so I will. Why is he so terrified of magic (Robin Hood and the Sorcerer)? Was there an incident in his past? He seems very susceptible to it (Children of Israel). Could that be because he dared to dabble in it once? Or was he witness as a child to something so frightening that he reacts out of sheer terror as an adult? (Not that he didn't have reason to when confronted with de Belleme in The Enchantment). I've read almost no fanfic, due to a lack of funds, but I wonder if there are any stories about this? Now that I've rattled on for so long, I wish to thank Hilda for this lovely letterzine. I really enjoy the stimulating conversations, the comments, information, and references. I did do some research into "witches" for college once, but my sources said that "wicca" came from the word "wise," not "to bend," as was reported in Issue #3. Anyone else come up with that one? Before I end, I must say that I do own one RoS fanzine, Forbidden Forest, which I did a "deal" for. My favorite stories are those by Jenni, Janet R. and the lovely moving poem by Julianne T. Wouldn't we all like to dance with Robin in Sherwood? Herne Protect Us All. P.S. Who I am? I've written and/or published 28 fanzines (mostly Beauty and the Beast). I'm an R.N., president of the B+B International Fan Club, and I've studied metaphysics for so long I'm embarrassed to say! I've played "Dungeons and Dragons" since 1976. Any others out there? [second letter] ...I have just a quick news flash from something I discovered, thanks to a friend. I play role- playing games. There's one called "GURPS" which is Generic Universe Role Playing System. It is very easy and detailed and there is an entire book dedicated to Robin Hood with incredible maps and detailed historical and geographical information. Several times the authors refer to the "Robin of Sherwood/Robin Hood" series (ours) when discussing things and there's even a special column about the Old Religion and Herne the Hunter. It's fantastic! I'm already beginning to learn the system so I can run people around in a RoS adventure. [Yoo hoo, Chris! How's the Weekend schedule looking? -H] The book is available in any war-game/hobby shop, if you're interested. Here, in America, it costs $16.95 (plus our lovely state sales tax) so if you do want to explore this and you can't find one locally, I can arrange to get it for you. The only problem is, you really need the basic GURPS book in order to make full use of the Robin Hood one, if you intend to play the game. If you want it just as a reference book, it's fine like that, too. My friends are into the GENIE computer network and there's been just tons of RoS activity there lately. It seems there's a big upsurge in interest. Showtime no longer has rights to air episodes. I received a very nice letter from them recently. They said there was a great deal of interest in the show. Maybe we should try to organize an effort to encourage them to make more RoS episodes! Be well... Linda Furey Hi there! I told you I was going to write this, and I have done. We'll just have to see if there are fireworks or not. I'm writing in to give my two dollars worth (inflation, you know) on the proposal to hold a circle at Weekend in Sherwood using the various Merries to represent the different quarters/ elements etc. etc. (See Julianne Toomey's letter [in Issue 5] if you don't know what I'm on about.) In a way I like the idea of holding a very formal circle and incorporating all of the characters from the show. It could be fun. Frankly, though, after I got home from the gathering at Jan's at which we discussed the idea of performing this sort of ritual at Weekend, I started doing some serious thinking and soul-searching on the subject, as we had all agreed to do. Now maybe the rest of you will think I'm on fifth base, but I have reached the conclusion that Weekend is not the appropriate time and place for such a ceremony. Yup, I have reasons, and they are included here for your perusal. It's hard to know quite where to start so I'm just going to leap into the void and hope that there is something there to land on when I get to the landing part. I have had the good fortune over the years to include in my family of friends a number of people from backgrounds, spiritual and otherwise, very different from my own. I have good friends who are Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Protestant, Wiccan, Catholic, Pagan, Anglican, and Atheist. They are all good people who love and honor their families and friends, but beyond that what all of these people have in common is respect and tolerance for other people's beliefs. If asked, any of them are happy to talk about what it is they believe and why, but I have never known any of them to force their beliefs on anyone else. They believe, and taught me to believe, that each person must choose for him- or herself which god or gods to worship and what name(s) to call them by. What brings comfort and contentment to the heart and spirit of the individual can not be wrong and deserves respect. The members of our community (and I count everyone in RoS fandom, and not just the few of us who gather in these pages each issue) are as diverse as the people I mentioned above, but we seem to share, with very few exceptions, that same tolerance and respect for others. That's what I have come to love about this fandom. I have migrated through a number of fandoms over the years, and nowhere and nowhen else have I found anything to equal it. Sure we natter about which Robin has nicer buns, and we don't all like each other all of the time, but if you take the time to listen to us it's all very familial. We are a reflection of the merry band and all of the people they ran across in and beyond Sherwood Forest. We are, in our own way, Normans and Saxons, Pagans, Christians, Saracens, and Jews; men, women, lords, peasants, minstrels, wronged, and trying to right; leaders, followers, giants, half-wits, former soldiers, Crusaders' daughters, friars, foreigners, and most importantly friends. The world Richard Carpenter created when he penned the first script is the place where we all met, and "Sherwood should belong to everyone" (except possibly Guy the Gamekeeper). Did Nasir or Tuck or Marion (who occasionally expressed a desire to become a nun) ever get excluded when the cup was passed? Did they get left behind in Sherwood at the Time of the Blessing? The answer is no. All who wished to be included were included. Let us not then exclude anyone from our celebration by having individuals take on the roles of the various characters from the series and performing complex rituals that hold more meaning for the few than for all. Let us not frighten away anyone who might wish to attend, or join Cousins, by putting forth the image that to be one of our number you must be a practicing expert of the pagan persuasion. Cousins was founded with the intent that it be a place for all, regardless of their level of expertise or amount of experience, to learn and question and share. We say in the theatre that "Less is more," meaning that a man standing alone on a hillside with a longbow in his hand and the red sun setting behind him can say more about courage, truth, loyalty, love, death, and who is really winning the battle than the prettiest speech or the most expensive set. Why? Because it speaks in a language we can all understand. No matter what our background. No matter what we believe in. Let us then invite our community, our entire wonderfully diverse community, to join with us to speak in a language common to all who walk the long roads through Sherwood. Let us simply raise the cup and ask for Herne's protection and pass it 'round with a Blessed Be and Amen, too. Chris Haire Dear Cousins: Merrie meet! Issue 4 was great - keep writing, everyone! I just finished reading The Seventh Sword by Andrew Collins. What an extraordinary story! Andrew and his psychic friends have been locating these swords and other artifacts by means of psychic questing over the past 10 years. Mark Ryan is featured in a chapter and RoS is also mentioned because of the similarities to Swords of Wayland. Andrew also thanks Richard Carpenter in the front of the book. I'll try not to go on too much about this book before you've read it. One part I wanted to share with you is some of the research on psychics done by Andrew Collins and Graham Phillips; they call it "psygenics." They found certain similarities in psychics: allergy complaints such as asthma, sinus problems, and hayfever; casts in the left eye; constant problems with electrical apparatus, including LCD watches; and a deep love of animals, ecology, and prehistoric monuments. They also found that, ethnologically speaking, all British psychics had strong Celtic backgrounds with family roots in either Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or Cornwall. When not Celtic, they discovered that they had either strong Jewish ancestry or Gypsy blood running through their veins. They say it seems psychics belong to one big family and abilities were part of a particular genetic strain. They said that often current psychics were found to have relatives who had been psychics, mediums, or spiritualists in their day. Psychics are a special breed of people who have been much discredited and maligned both in the past as in the 17th century witch trials and in the present day. They have often been made social outcasts by their friends, their workmates, even by their own families, purely because they are not understood or accepted for what they are. I found this information valuable and fascinating. It makes a lot of sense and explains a lot of things. Do you all have any thoughts on this? Laura: In Issue 3 you said your feminist friend referred to Marion as a token woman. I disagree! She was a hell of a strong woman who took risks, rebelled against men like Hugo, DeRainault, Belleme, her father, and Robin when it was necessary. There are a lot of admirable, strong women figures in RoS in addition to Marion who show aspects of the Goddess - Alison, Meg, Mab, Isadora, Sarah, etc. Yes, I'm into Tarot cards! I have the Hanson-Roberts deck as well, which is really a nice one. It's uncanny how much the King of Pentacles looks like Mark and the Magician looks like Michael. I had had some ideas on designing a RoS-inspired Tarot deck as well, but it's a bit overwhelming to consider tackling by oneself. I've been jotting down notes with ideas and will try to set a room party type gathering for interested artists and Tarot enthusiasts to discuss it at Weekend in Sherwood. Bring the Tarot decks you all use, Tarot books, and art supplies! Some of the ideas I've had were Nasir as the King of Swords, Much as the Fool, Robert as the Sun, Gisburne as the Moon, Loxley as the Magician, Marion as the High Priestess, Tuck as Temperance, John and Meg as the King and Queen of Rods, Will as the Hanged Man, Albion as the Ace of Swords, etc. Phil: I very much like your definition of what Pagan means. Yes! Mark: Thanks for plugging Weekend in Sherwood, sweetie! (Your check's in the mail! Ha ha!) Hmm...sounds like DC needs to get their act together - we'll sic 350+ Spirit of Sherwood members on writing polite letters of inquiry about The Hooded Man and see if that helps! I can't wait to see The Wildwood Tarot and what you and Mike have conjured up. The Seventh Sword was quite a book! I remember seeing you in Memphis after your experience in California and how disturbed you were by the whole thing. Thank goodness you found Andrew and you were able to help each other! Tina: Thank you so much for the info on the Matthews. I am a great fan of theirs. I've been reading lots of great material by them on the Arthurian legend. I would highly recommend The Arthurian Reader by John Matthews and Legendary Britain by John Matthews and Bob Stewart. The latter is a beautifully illustrated book containing material on Arthur, Robin Hood, the Green Man, Merlin, Wayland's Smithy, Aquae Sulis, Thomas the Rhymer, Iona and the Orkneys, etc. (ISBN 0-7137-2027-1.) I seem to be reading anything Arthurian I can lay my hands on of late. Any recommendations, anyone? I really enjoyed The Hawk of May series by Gillian Bradshaw and the Mary Stewart series as well. Ariel: I think you are right about Marion - that most people like her but Time of the Wolf sort of messed things up. Kip once said if he had known there would be no 4th series, he'd have never ended it that way. He would have done the wedding. I don't believe Marion would have stayed in the convent forever. I think she had a breakdown of sorts and needed time to retreat and deal with her grief. She would have snapped out of it after a time, I'm sure. The Warriors of Arthur is by John Matthews and R. J. Stewart, I think. There is also Grendel as an example of a fanatic in RoS. recently came across an old interview with Richard Carpenter which Goldcrest and HTV put out with their publicity for Season 2. In it he said, "I've drawn upon history and The Bible for inspiration since both were wrought with magical events. Solomon had a powerful magic shield and Moses could throw down his staff and it would become a snake." Laura: Don't give up on coming to Weekend! We have lots of club members out that way who might like to share a ride. We can put an ad for you in On Target if you'd like? I disagree about Jason and Michael upstaging anyone who's on the screen. I'm more interested in what Nasir is doing in the background! I think Marion loved Robert. What's not to love about Robert? I think you are right about his empathy with people. Kathy: Hello, old friend! Well, Hilda was right! We've been pan pals since the early years of RoS fandom and I never knew you were into this stuff! Anyway, I don't know about John Matthews touring, but I'd love to see him - if you or anyone hears of any more on this, please drop me a line! I think you are absolutely right in saying that Robin in RoS has more to do with our times. The historical Robin was probably not particularly religious or concerned with the plight of the poor and oppressed at all. Hilda: Thanks for another great issue of Cousins! Glad you enjoyed the current issue of On Target. Stay tuned for a great interview with Mark Ryan in issue 7, Jean West's journey into the land of Arthur, and more neat stuff from our talented and generous members out there. Thank you for the explanation of "cowan," but I still don't like the sound of it. Makes me think of cow or coward or something, I guess. Speaking of films, isn't it interesting that movies like Dead Again and The Fisher King became word-of-mouth hits this past year? I also saw a cute film called The Butcher's Wife which brought up some neat ideas. I saw Thunderheart last night and I highly recommend it! Well, I'll shut up now and leave room for someone else! Keep up the good work! Laura Woodswalker Todd (Issue 4) Dear Cousins, Greetings. "Is Loxley 'perfect'?" That seems to be the question of the day. I never thought of him as perfect in the series (those few that I've seen) but it's true that the fan fiction has really canonized him! (Oh, I suppose that it's unavoidable when you have someone that heartstoppingly gorgeous with that much screen presence who exits with such an unforgettable death scene.) Anyway, as Ariel says, he is often "made into a paragon of wisdom at Robert's expense." Yeah, I could cite several stories where Robert is really condescended to. People are always telling him "you never let yourself believe..." I even remember one story where it was implied that Herne just didn't "like" Robert as much. Perhaps that was the author's preferences creeping in? Oh well, what can I say, authors are human too. As a matter of fact I recently finished a novella about Robin and Robert, and boy did I have to walk on eggs to avoid the appearance of "slighting" either one. I hope I don't have irate fans at my door when it comes out. Changing the subject, someone mentioned Lord of the Trees again. Can someone tell me what happened after Herne was shot? Did he heal himself with magic power, or does his deerskin repel arrows, or what? Hilda: calm down, my dear girl, I think Michael's legs (and the rest of him) are just fine...I was merely expressing my disbelief that anyone else would say such awful things about the dear fellow. This has nothing to do with RoS, but I just finished reading Diana Paxson's The White Raven, which will probably appeal to all you fans of Celtic Pagan stuff. Well, that's it for now and have a happy Beltaine (or whichever holiday is next). (Issue 5) Dear Cousins, As usual, I'm totally blown away by people's neat ideas. Like Janet VanMeter's idea of the Arrow as Loxley's symbol and the Sword as Robert's. Along with Hilda's Tarot-like addition of Isadora's table and Marion's cup. Ooh! I don't know why I love Tarot so much, seeing as how I don't believe they can "predict the future." I just think it's neat to play around with symbolism. Can't wait to see Mark Ryan's Wildwood Tarot! A few general comments. Was Robert "rational" in Herne's Son, when he fought Owen of Clun? And his actions after that (attempting a rescue with four other men vs. a castle full of barbarians)? And giving up an earldom to become a ragtag outlaw? A really rational man would have stayed in the castle and worked behind the scenes. Not to say that Robert is not intelligent, but his primary character trait is not "rationality" but passionate conviction. And now, to add my 2 cents to the discussion about "what is this letterzine for?" Some people think general RoS discussion should be saved for "generic letterzines." Well, I'd like to point out that the other letterzines come out a few times a year, while Cousins comes out every month! [Would you believe every 2? -H] (For that, Hilda, you should win an award!) This makes Cousins the only zine where it's possible to carry on a halfway coherent discussion, and that's why this zine has become my main vehicle for general chatter about RoS. Well, I'll sign off for now and leave room for the rest of you! Herne Protect! Janet VanMeter Merry Meet Everyone! I want to offer my opinion and suggestions for the proposed CousinsÊgathering and ritual at "Weekend in Sherwood." The natural simplicity of the paganism presented in RoS is the aspect I find most comforting and attractive. Therefore, the simpler we keep things, the better, in my book. I don't see the need for the "calling of the quarters" part of the ritual, and I don't believe it belongs within the context given in RoS, especially the deification of the characters at the quarters. I'd like to offer the following for consideration. It begins with the first person taking the next person's hand and leading everyone "into" Sherwood with a visualization. As we are being led into the Forest, we walk sunwise around the Circle until the visualization is complete. This "casts the circle" and leads naturally into the next action, which is that wonderful "Herne Chant." Then one by one, we each express an intent or promise to fulfill with the Power raised within the group. Once each person is finished, someone raises the Blessing Bowl and says, "This seals the bond between us, both in the Forest and the Village. With the inner world and the outer world. With those that have gone before, and those yet to come. May Herne Protect Us." Everyone responds, "Herne Protect Us." The Blessing Bowl is passed around the circle as a symbol of the Bond. As we drink, the Power is grounded within us. Once the bowl has traversed the circle, the first person says "Nothing's Forgotten," everyone responds "Nothing Is Ever Forgotten. Blessed Be." Then we can pass eats and drinks. Well, what do you think? The Journey at the beginning both establishes Place and also brings us into the midst of the Goddess, as Sherwood. Once there, we can then call the God. Within their presence, we announce our action. We ask and receive blessing on it. Then we leave knowing that we must uphold and never forget what we accomplished. I think the above is a very simple way of achieving what the CousinsÊgathering is all about. Those people not wholly familiar with established Craft tradition and practices might also find this more comfortable and easier to remember. (And except for the Blessing Bowl, no other 'props' are needed! Another big plus!) Except for the deletion of the "quarters," this is basically following the sequence you suggested, Hilda. I look forward to reading what everyone else wants to do! Herne Protect and Blessed Be! Tara O'Shea ...I am going to go all out of order, because I started reading this at the dinner table, and didn't come upstairs until I saw something I could answer, and now I'm tapping away at the PC. Ariel: Let me tell you about Sovereignty. This is one of my favourite subjects. The idea of a mystical union between a king and his kingdom is older than Indo-European society, but among the Celts, the Irish in particular, the idea of sovereignty is remarkably clear. When the Milesians landed in Ireland, they were greeted by three sisters, Eriu, Banba, and Fodhla (collectively called the Banba) who represented the spirit of Ireland. They were the land incarnate. Donn, the leader of the Milesians, did not treat them with respect, and perished in the war that resulted between the Dananns and the Milesians. Amairgen, the first Druid in Ireland, promised Eriu that Ireland would be named for her, and it still is because the name Erin is derived from the genitive form ƒireann. Marion Zimmer Bradley goes into this a great deal in The Mists of Avalon, tied up in her Sacred King ideas. Basically, the king makes the marriage (called the banais raghi) with the land, in the form of a woman. Maeve (or Medhbh, or just Medb) of Connaught and Rhiannon and many others are thought to be sovereignty goddesses, and Maeve is always Queen of Connaught, even though she is listed as wed to three different kings. If he forsakes the land, he will come to a bad end. Often Sovereignty appears first as a crone (The Caillech) and then is transformed into a ravishing beauty when a warrior has the courage to make love to her, and then that warrior becomes a king. Yeats, in the end of the play Cathleen N’ Houlihan, says this too, when the old woman of the roads has gone from the house, and one character asks his son, 'Did you see an old woman going down the path?' and the boy, Patrick, replies, 'I did not, but I saw a young girl, and she had the walk of a queen.' Many place names in Ireland come from women's names. My own name comes from the name of the seat of the high kings called Temuir or Temair (modern Irish Teamhair) after Tea, the wife of the first Milesian High King (Ard Rhi) Eremon. The Sovereignty's best known form was that of the Caillech BŽrre, and I have somewhere a poem about her, written in the ninth century. It's quite wonderful. I know I'll dig up a copy sooner or later. Also, in the first Arthurian stories, I don't think there was a round table. I am not certain, but I think this was an invention of Wace of Jersey in his Geste des bretons dedicated to Queen Eleanor, based on Geoffrey of Monmouth's bloody mess (sorry) of a history. In any case, most of the Arthurian legend comes from Welsh and Irish myth. It was the French who added most of the stuff we think of now: Lancelot du Lac, the bloody Grail legend (sorry again. I have a real problem with the Arthurian stuff. I hate bits of it. I mean really hate it.) I thought Marion would be the Queen of Swords, but maybe I have not read my tarot notes closely enough. I though de Rainault made a lovely devil. I did three card illustrations that I want to show at the Weekend Art Show. I love spending an afternoon reading looking for interesting things to draw or write about, and started thinking about a RoS deck a while back. I, too, ran out of characters. Hey, Hilda, you have an editorial staff? Kathy: A great deal of the stuff I've read about the legend has Robin Hood being a fanatic about the holy Virgin. Big time. Maybe this was turning a Goddess idea into a Christian one that would find more favour in the medieval world? Hilda, I swear, it's been so long I almost jotted a comment down on my own letter. I think I need to get some sleep one of these days. And I don't want to sound stupid, but what on earth (or any other manifested plane) is a Harry Stu? Gee it rhymes with Mary... Yes? No? Maybe? [Bingo. -H] Yes, I would love to do a Tarot RoS brainstorming session. I don't know much about the cards, and to have my questions answered in even the smallest part would help a great deal, as constantly feel I am missing out on something I should know more about. Oh, you read Hitchhiker's Guide too? Have you read Good Omens by Neal Gaiman and Terry Whatshisname? Oh, if you haven't, I know what I'm going to get you for a Yule gift. It's a really hysterical look at Armageddon, I mean it. I keep forgetting, does anyone out there read Sandman? [Here Tara offers a synopsis of some of the latest occurrences in the best graphic serial I've ever come across, including an encounter with the Three who are One...but you'll have to write to her to read it! You might want to pick up the latest Sandman series when you stop by your local comics shop to interrogate the proprietor as to the ETA of The Hooded Man. -H] I like Michael's skinny legs. I happen to be very fond of Anglo Irish skinny-butt men (this is adapted from my friend Katey's favorite phrase. I love Kate's odd idiom), as I will tell anyone who asks. (Our Mr. Praed and Pierce Brosnan are at the top of this list.) I don't mind, but I guess HTV did, hence the thigh supplements. Judi: I like medieval history up until Agincourt, but that's mostly because of Kenneth Branagh's Henry V and an utterly marvelous book called Fortune Made His Sword. Carol: I am also interested in Celtic languages (my cousin teaches Irish, though I see her less than once every two years. Her name is Tara O'Shea too. Quite confusing for everyone except the two of us.) and once not too long ago, while I should have been studying for my midterms, instead started looking at the etymology of words. Particularly, the word King. In Latin it's Rex, French Roi, Spanish Rey, English has Regent and as these all derive from Latin, it's to be expected, but what about Righ, Rhys, and Rajah? I don't know the Breton or Scots Gaelic word, but I expect that they are from the same root as the Welsh and Irish. Does this mean that the Romans and Celts had similar words for king and queen? Rigantona, Morrighan, Arianrhod, Rhiannon. I am a nut. Really. I mean, many French words come from Gaelic too, like "garcon" (I have no little 5 looking thing to put under the c, but you know the word I mean). And "iron" and "whiskey" come straight from Irish. I have recently learnt that my name in Irish is Teamhair N’ Seaghda, and also that Tara is the name of an eastern goddess as well. I can't remember the particulars, but it was an interesting bit to learn. My fave RoS quotes are "You've been sitting on yer bums for a year looking at sheep" and "We're very nearly ready." Funny, I never before realised how much I liked Herne's Son. It does have a few great laughs, doesn't it? Poor Guy. At least he wasn't shot and set on fire like in The King's Fool... I hope he had good medical insurance. Re: Issue 5 Julianne: Has anyone written a story where Owen rapes Mari? I need to buy more back issues to catch up. If not, why not? I mean, there's a potentially explosive subject just waiting to be explored. Maybe Loxley didn't show up in Cromm Cruach because Marion wasn't there long enough to have nightmares like John and Robert. Plus, how could they have gotten Michael in for a guest appearance? Oooooh, that would have been interesting. I've seen Loxley meets Huntingdon stories, but I wonder what would have happened if they had met at Cromm Cruach... Deeply weird. While my sister watched Sorcerer the other day with me, all she kept asking was "What does the Arrow do anyway?" And all I could think to say was, "It has power." Or why else would Belleme have wanted it so badly? Maybe the arrow was what gave Robin the power to throw off Belleme's enchantment, so he would be able to kill him. As for the sword's incarnations, maybe it's a Time Lord in disguise? I know what you mean about a series. I have a monster I started when I first got into RoS, and it's over two hundred pages now, and (ye gods) still growing. I'm killing off the character to get her out of my life (and everyone else's lives) once and for all. It's the only way. [That's what Gramps said! -Arthur] A nice little epilogue, and then I swear I'm never fooling with it again. Well, maybe... no, I'm adamant about this... Really. (Ethlinn, put the sword down, I mean it! oh dear...) Where was I? Oh yes. Cousins. I call it a letterzine because I've yet to read Herne's Stepchildren, and Cousins just gets better and longer with each issue. (Hey Hilda, what or where is Beloved of Arianrhod?) Why would Gulnar want Owen dead anyway? Maybe just as an excuse to take revenge on Herne's Son later. Maybe he was just bats. I'm a firm believer in the latter myself... Congratulations on your "baby." I'll send you mine if you send me yours? My poor Ethlinn has been known to go by the moniker "Mary Sue," but I was 15 years old when I started it, and I swear I've gotten better over the years. Well, sort of... My friend has a lovely laser printer at work, and is going to print out a nice copy for me soon. It all looks so professional. If I ever win the lottery, I'm going to buy a Hewlett Packard too... I never knew about the serpent being wisdom. Thanks! Janet V.: I don't know what Kip would say about good ol' Simon, but I do know he's been popping up in fandom a lot recently. I have my own ideas, but I've no idea if they'll ever see print. Also, can't you just see Belleme and Gulnar as Evil Twins? I mean, neither has the common decency to die and stay dead for pete's sake! I guess Gulnar is sort of like a Belleme for Robert to deal with, only weirder. I thought Huntingdon died by poison. Unless that's another Robin Hood, after Robert. Has anyone thought about who'll fill the Hood after you know... Robert goes (what a nasty thought, but a necessary one...) I learned something interesting the other day. Alfred Tennyson, in his play The Foresters, made Marion the daughter of Sir Richard at the Lea. Do you think Kip used this as his reasoning, or was it synchronicity? Morgana: J. C. Holt has a whole book full of theories, and I also picked up a good book called Rymes of Robin Hood, an Introduction to the English Outlaw which also has a bit about Adam Bell too. It is by R. B Dobson and J. Taylor, and the ISBN is 0-86299-610-4. It has just about every tidbit you can imagine pertaining to the written record of Robin Hood. Raven: Okay, Gulnar was a Viking. Who just happened to think Arianrhod was an earth goddess. And he resurrected an Irish daemon too. What is this, a pot luck? I heard that the reason the devil is portrayed with horns was a reaction against Pan worship way long ago. The same as in the creation story, where all the aspects others held as Gods (the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, etc.) were all created by Yahweh. Still, I mean, it's mildly annoying when you tell someone about your beliefs, and they come out with "You're a devil worshipper?" I mean, really. One must be Christian to believe in the Anti-Christ, and so how can someone who is not Christian worship Lucifer? That's what gets me so crazy when you see those religious programmes on UHF channels around Samhain, where they say witches held human sacrifices at Stonehenge to bring about the Antichrist. It makes no sense, really, and I thought people were above such silly superstitious nonsense and lies in the 20th century. Obviously, I underestimated many of them. If Lucifer was a fallen angel, then why doesn't he have wings, but horns and a tail in most art? If you ask me, after hearing all the stories, I think the Morningstar didn't so much fall as was pushed. Heaven needs a shadow, doesn't it? Someplace to threaten baddies with. One might say that if it hadn't been Lucifer, it just would have been one of the others. How did I get on to Christian mythology? I need to hold my tongue. [Pleathe don't. Thith thtuff ith too confuthing alweathy. -H] Hi Hilda. You want a copy of the Scots ballad Tam Lin from the Tam Lin in the Tor Fairy Tale series? I will enclose it. [Thank you! -H] I seem to be a veritable font of poems and odds and ends recently. Yes, Janet did wear green. I always find it amusing that, when Edgar went looking for the right "witch," he found one. Serves him right. Broomstick indeed! I think Robin is definitely a title of sorts. I mean, later "Robin Hood" was a common name for an outlaw or thief. It survives in the American slang "Hood" for criminal. I like your Arthur-Herne comparison. It smacks of truth to me. Still, it's weird to think of a dead human king having greater power than even a localised God. Maybe Arthur fed off of the legends and became more than a memory, and that's why he is so powerful after centuries of storytelling. Cross global crowd, remember? Well, not for long. I'm due back in July, and an address change will be forthcoming. Until then, letters are my life. I give generously (too generously sometimes) and adore receiving. Maybe we should all get together and plead with Jason to come to Visions '92 or some other annual con. If not, how about kidnapping? Works for me... Just so long as Abbot Martin doesn't do his Tammy Faye Bakker impression ever again. I have the bloody thing dubbed in Spanish, and it's even scarier... That reminds me, after reading your bit on "muin" being Irish for vine, I took a look at my Ogham notes, and Tinne is the word for "holly," yet every time I look up Beltaine, it says it comes from "Bel-tinne," the fires of Bel. So does Tinne mean holly and fire? Anybody know? [Cath, this sounds like one for you. -H] I mean, all my Irish cousins had to take Irish in school, and Tara teaches it now... As for more Fave RoS quotes, how about "Arrest them? I don't even know them." If you've ever read Anthony Horowitz's novelization, after Guy goes flying down into the cellar and Cousin Ambrose shuts the door, it says "And then they all went and had a beer." I mean, really, that has to be the longest bar brawl ever filmed. I think I'll go watch it again... Maypole safety needs? Amber Foxfire Hilda - I agree with you about Marion's out-of-character actions at the end of The Time of the Wolf. Tara O'Shea comments in Issue #4 that this was due to the fact that Judi Trott "didn't want to do a lot of work in the 4th series." However, as we all know, there wasn't a fourth series. This leads to the question of whether Kip Carpenter knew, during the filming of Time of the Wolf, that there wouldn't be a fourth season. Does anybody out there know the answer? My guess is that while Time of the Wolf was being shot, Carpenter didn't know that there would be no fourth series for Robin of Sherwood. The whole idea of Marion staying at Halstead, in effect breaking off her relationship with Robert, seems to me too much like a season-ending cliff- hanger. Even if Robert and Marion hadn't actually gotten back together in the first episode of the never-filmed fourth series, Carpenter could have very easily redeemed Marion's character in the eyes of the fans in that first episode. (Maybe she would have had a vision of Robert in danger and the episode could have ended with her leaving Halstead for Sherwood.) Tina - I agree with your view of Herne as shaman. It makes sense when you consider that he probably wasn't the first "Herne" (and probably wasn't the last "Herne" either). The idea of there being a succession of Robin Hoods (as well as there being more than one Herne) is very intriguing. If we assume that Robin Hood is a Pagan, the term "Robin Hood" could be the pagan equivalent of the Judeo-Christian term "messiah" or "savior." I read an interesting article in the local newspaper recently about what Biblical scholars are just now finding out from their investigation of the Dead Sea Scrolls (for 40 years, from their discovery in 1948 until 1988, American academics blocked Biblical scholars from viewing the majority of the Dead Sea Scrolls). Anyway, what the scholars learned is that early Christianity was more like a sect of Judaism rather than a separate, independent religion. Both Jews and early Christians viewed Jesus Christ as a messiah in overthrowing the oppression of the Romans. The incident that disturbed the followers of Christ (but not their Jewish "brothers") occurred almost 100 years after Christ died. During that time Roman rule again became overwhelmingly oppressive. In order to rally the common people, the current Jewish ruler declared himself "a messiah" and led a "rebel" fight against the Romans. This disturbed the Christians, until that time probably just a Jewish sect, because the idea of more than one messiah was anathema to them. As far as the Christians were concerned there was only one messiah: Jesus Christ. Apparently, though, Judaism has room for many messiahs; it would appear that Jews viewed the term "messiah" as a title that could be given to more than one person. The Biblical scholars seem to think that the Christians, on the other hand, interpreted the term "messiah" as also being "the son of God" and there was only one "son of God" - Jesus Christ - as far as they were concerned. The scholars believe that the incident with the "second" messiah could have caused the actual split of Christianity from Judaism, thus creating a separate religion. The whole point of this is that, in light of this information plus what we know of pagan practice, the fact that there could have been (and probably was) more than one Robin Hood is highly likely. (This could explain the seemingly contradictory Robin Hood legends: one, that he was a peasant {Loxley}; the other, that he was of the nobility {Huntingdon}). This is all I have to comment on this time. Blessed be. Debbi Henderson Greetings All! Thought I'd write with some other Robin Hood related books. The newest is called The Sheriff of Nottingham by Richard Kluger. Brand new. Also fairly new is Sherwood by Parke Godwin. Another good retelling is The Outlaws of Sherwood by Robin McKinley. For esoteric knowledge of all sorts, you can't beat Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. There are entries on all of the principal players and some unique expressions as well! I've copied some below. 1. The Bow and Arrow of Robin Hood - The traditional bow and arrow of Robin Hood are religiously preserved at Kirklees Hall, Yorkshire, the seat of the Armytage family, and the site of his grave is pointed out in the park. 2. Death of Robin Hood - He was reputedly bled to death treacherously by a nun who was instigated to the foul deed by his kinswoman, the prioress of Kirklees, near Halifax (1247). 3. "Many talk of Robin Hood who never shot with his bow" - Many brag of deeds in which they took no part. 4. "A Robin Hood wind" - A thaw-wind which is particularly raw and piercing, being saturated with moisture scarcely above the freezing point. Tradition runs that Robin Hood used to say that he could bear any cold except that which a thaw-wind brought with it. 5. Robin Hood's Bay - between Whitby and Scarborough, Yorkshire, is mentioned by Leland. Robin Hood is supposed to have kept fishing boats there to put to sea when pursued by the soldiery. He also went fishing in them in the summer. 6. To go around Robin Hood's barn - to arrive at the right conclusion by circuitous methods. 7. To sell Robin Hood's pennyworth - to sell things at half their value. As Robin Hood stole his wares he sold them under their intrinsic value, for what he could get. 8. Robin Hood's Larder - an oak in Sherwood Forest. The tradition is that Robin Hood used its hollow trunk as a hiding place for the deer he had slain. Late in the last century some schoolgirls boiled their kettle in it (my thought: a coven?) and burnt down a large part of the tree, which was reputed to be 1,000 years old. It was blown down in 1966 and the Duke of Portland gave a suitably inscribed remnant to the Mayor of Toronto. Let me move on now to Herne. Brewer's also has an entry that describes Herne's Oak. This was an oak in Windsor Great Park, reputed to be haunted by the ghost of Herne the Hunter/ The Wild Huntsman. It was supposed to be 650 years old when blown down in 1863. Queen Victoria planted a young oak on the site. Herne the Hunter was at one time a keeper of Windsor Forest. Shakespeare says that now he "walks" in winter-time. If anyone can't get hold of this marvelous dictionary and would like me to copy down the rest of the entries for Cousins, let me know. In Spirit... Morgana Dear Cousins: Greetings to you once more! I think Spring Fever is turning into writing fever as well. Besides these long responses to many Cousins I'm sketching out a non-RoS story, plus busily filling in my Book of Shadows. I sometimes wish there were a hundred hours in the day! Todd: Isn't Kineseology having to do with something called muscle- testing and how it applies to your physical health and structure? Tina: You might want to check out The Tree: The Complete Book of Saxon Witchcraft by Raymond Buckland. It contains some chapters on the Pagan Saxon historical backgrounds, Woden and Freya, etc. It's a good all- around read on Saxon Paganism. Nansi Loser: You're correct about the Sacrificial King's joy regarding being chosen to be the offering to his god(s). A very interesting book and television movie based on this whole theme is Harvest Home by Thomas Tryon. It's 20th century Paganism as portrayed by a small rural community who, every seven years, sacrifice the chosen Harvest Lord. I won't give away the entire plot (obviously this isn't all of it!) but if anyone's wanting more info on this premise, do read/see it. The Sacrificial King is also mentioned in the first part of the Farrars' A Witches' Bible Compleat. Being a novice's novice to RoS fandom, and since like me you write, my fevered imagination came up with a rather radical departure from the traditional RoS structure. What do you, or does anyone, think of an all- female Sherwood band? As it's merely a thought - for now - I haven't elaborated on characters, mindsets, etc. but perhaps someone could put forth ideas. I seriously hope I don't get into too much trouble with you good people, as I honestly have no idea what type of reaction/response this will elicit (I'm still waiting while you digest this...) For instance, how would the Sheriff, Isadora, Jennet, Gulnar, Wickham itself react to the Sherwood Amazons? Could the characters be the female equivalents to Nasir, Tuck, Will, et al? Should the leader be a dark Celt, then later on maybe a Duchess or other nobility? What about a sacrificial Queen? Folks, this field is wide open. If you want to pat me on the back and shout "Vivat!", okay. If, on the other hand, you'd rather throw me into the Sheriff's cell with the old prisoner and Arthur, I'll perfectly understand! Really, I'm willing to accept whatever fate you deign! Tara: This is answering Tina's letter to you in #4 regarding serpents and occult wisdom. Dense me, I never considered St. Patrick's expelling the snakes out of Ireland as symbolic of expelling magickal wisdom and knowledge. But in light of the serpent's definition it makes a ton of sense. Lady Cybele in her fine lecture tape "Witches and Halloween" postulates that the snakes actually stood for the Druids (as their staffs were fashioned to look like serpents) and when St. Patrick got to Ireland, he drove out the Druids from the island, and thus their ancient knowledge. In pictures of Cleopatra and other prominent Egyptian contemporaries (I know, she wasn't Egyptian at all, but Macedonian!) you can see on the headdresses the snake emerging from the Third Eye. Again, this was the exponent of occult wisdom emanating from that person. Obviously this wisdom was not confined to men. Many women were seen to possess it as well. Raven: Holy Blood, Holy Grail is one heady read! There's a lot to take in, but the authors are really up on their history of the Templars and the Gospels. It pretty much blows the whole Sacrificial King theory out of the water! If I come across an extra copy, I'll let you know. Legend states that Fenris is said to have been killed by Odin's son Vidar, one of the Aesir, so you're right about that. Fenris is the son of Loki and the Giantess Angurboda. He became so fierce that the gods finally had to chain him. While Fenris struggled not to have the chain affixed to him, Tyr put his hand in Fen's mouth but before his hand could be removed, the wolf bit it off. There's also a myth that Fenris consumed Odin (a godling eating a God?)! Julianne: I read in Conway's Celtic Magic that green, apart from being the favorite fairy color in all Celtic countries, also became known as the color of death. As for being the color of criminals, I don't know. Hilda: Hesus, Taranis, and Teutates is a patriarchal, warlike Gaulish trinity. Hesus is similar to Teutates, the latter being a war god worshipped for human sacrifice. His name is cognate with Tuatha, "People." Taranis - "The Thunderer" - is also found in Britain. The wheel is his symbol, sometimes a spiral representing lightning. Also the eagle. Human sacrifices were offered to him. General This and That: That old question arises: Was Jennet a Witch or what? Well, she certainly had the name for it. Planta genet (or genista) was the broom plant sacred to Witches and a derivation of the royal British line Plantagenet. "Genet" meant horse or steed, "royal horse" of Paganism. A "jennet" was a small horse or female donkey and used frequently in names of medieval Witches - Jenet, Janet, Jean, Jeanette, Joan. Julianne again: Glory-of-Elves is the Norse name for the Sun Goddess who'd birth a daughter sun to rule the new universe after doomsday. (These last two are from the Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets.) That's about it. My vacation plans are updated and I am hoping to be in London June 11-25 (tentatively). If any Cousins will be there about that same time than let's merry meet! May the Lady and Lord of the Greenwood guide us all gently. Nansi Loser Last week Issue #5 arrived and I hate it when people get caught up on typing, especially since it just reminds me how far behind I am on my own stuff! Nan and I sat down this weekend and watched the Lord of the Trees episode of RoS, which I no longer have on tape - so thanks again to Laura Todd, who was kind enough to invite us over and loaned us her tape, and which I hadn't seen in a long time (I think the resident teenager taped over it at some point, because we've got all the others). We had a lot of fun talking the episode over because there's so much going on in it, both magically speaking and otherwise. It certainly seems that "the blessing" is a very localized/Sherwood personalized kind of Beltane (welcome to summer) festival. This episode's Herne appears as more of a localized deity, also. But as isolated as people were at that time, this "personalization" of both major and minor sabbats would make sense. It's hard to realize how truly cut-off these villages were from the rest of the world, especially living (as we do) in the age of instantaneous EVERYTHING. Anyway, everyone, including Marion and Tuck, seems to have a clear idea of what they are worshipping/celebrating and why. Isn't it Marion who tells Robin that he can't go after the mercenaries and spill blood because he's Herne's son? My personal favorite person in this episode, very strangely enough, is Abbot Hugo - he's shown as much more knowledgeable about the old ways and tolerant than one would expect. And he certainly doesn't doubt that Guy ran into some serious trouble with the old gods of the forest... Hilda, I loved your holography suggestion in response to my comment about my not being able to be two places at once - It would be fun, but I can't be two places at once, even holographically (though that certainly WOULD cut down on any travel and hotel expenses at Weekend in Sherwood), because I have quite enough trouble coping with one of me running around. If I start multiplying, I think the family would probably have hysterics! Great job and lots of interesting discussion. Take care. Richard Carpenter Sweet coz, I love it! I wish I could enter into endless discussions and theories and suppositions and all the other delightful eccentricities in your mad mab - er - mag. I even did a long tape - shall I send it, Hilda? - (HILDA: No thanks!) [Fair enough, I'm sure I've erroneously second-guessed you enough times! -H] Right, I will send it - about all the letters, just to try and put my point of view really, and justify all my mistakes. Writers always do that! But before I got a chance to send it - I get another edition! In fact the only time that I get pissed off is when people say things about the show that indicate either a bad memory or the fact that they haven't really studied every episode! And that, he said - falling off his chair in hysterics - is essential! For instance, dear Laura Woodswalker Todd (lovely name) I agree that the show has as many holes as God's golf course but not some that you bring up. Loxley sees visions - knows the right path to take, has definite e.s.p. and clairvoyance. And his archery is "magically" good! These things are in the stories and not just in Michael's piercing eyes. No, Robert isn't any more rational than any other young man of his age. I do find "bare bones" a bit unfair (I cried into my Highland Park) and I would've said that Loxley got quite a lot of revenge during the series. I do feel sometimes that the sweet coz's lose sight of the obvious in their pursuit of the esoteric. Robin died to save Marion's life. And to give her time to get away. It is in the script. It was meant to be significant that Much - the youngest of the outlaws and the most innocent - was the other person Robin sacrificed his life for. On a wider scale the Summer King idea is there to give the thing mythic scale. But to quote from my favourite prose poem "greater love hath no man than this - etc." It was curious that the episode went out Easter weekend. Yes, Herne is a shaman - and although some directors tended to "beam him down," this was not in the scripts. Murray Hope's book on Atlantis is very good - for a woman. (Hope you know I'm kidding) Hey - a good book is Keith Thomas' Religion and the Decline of Magic. I love Robert Graves and Margaret Murray, but scholars who are poets can put the glamour on you. Gift of the gab, the Irish call it. And finally, in Hilda's bit - the fifth paragraph on page 14 is the most generous and warming tribute that any writer could ever hope to read. Thank you Hilda. That - I shall keep, for any rainy days ahead. Blessed be, sweet coz's. Kip P.S. Herne help us if you lot ever start an Arthurian fanzine! P.P.S. And talking of Robert Graves, here's one of his poems. It speaks to me. Read it several times slowly like an incantation - which I think it is - and then learn by heart. Broken Images He is quick, thinking in clear images; I am slow, thinking in broken images. He becomes dull, trusting to his clear images I become sharp, mistrusting my broken images. Trusting his images, he assumes their relevance Mistrusting my images, I question their relevance Assuming their relevance, he assumes the fact; Questioning their relevance, I question the fact. When the fact fails him, he questions his senses; When the fact fails me, I approve my senses. He continues quick and dull in his clear images; I continue slow and sharp in my broken images. He, in a new confusion of his understanding; I, in a new understanding of my confusion. [Tape begins here. -H] I get an awful lot of fan mail...well, let's say, letters from friends...about Robin of Sherwood, which was a programme that I wrote quite a few years ago now, and also have largely forgotten what I wrote, because my short-term memory is very poor. And so when obscure points in a text that was written with a deadline and also to a series of production constraints are examined in such minute detail by clever people like you, it is, to say the least, a little bit frightening. You, as writers yourselves, must realize that a lot of the things that one does, one does on the spur of the moment because it sounds right, and that dear old thing Inspiration (which doesn't happen very often). Certainly I researched, but not nearly as thoroughly and as deeply as if I was preparing a Ph.D. The curse of writers is the VCR. I think I'll probably have that on my tombstone, because programmes that basically are meant to be watched once have been watched again and again, and all of the faults have been obviously very clearly revealed. I am flattered that the fan fiction has arisen from this, because anything creative that happens from a television programme, which you just sit and watch and is a very uncreative activity, must be good. Well, with that rather boring preamble, let's get down to why I'm writing to you like this. One, because I can't afford to spend hours of time answering letters concerning a programme that I wrote ten years ago; and two, it's quite pleasant to chat to you like this, walking through an English wood in winter and kicking up dead oak leaves while my dogs race around in the holly bushes. So, I've got my copy of Cousins, Issue 2. I have to confess, I haven't read Issue 1, but I shall certainly read Issue 3 if there is one, because I find it fascinating, and I crave your indulgence to answer a few points which actually I think Hilda finally covered at the end of it, as it were acting as chairperson. What I find fascinating is the intensity of some of the interpretations. Everybody seems very worried about the fact that the Goddess doesn't appear in the series. Well, the reason for the occult in Robin Hood was inspired by a book called The God of the Witches, so that's really a very simple answer. Not "The Goddess of the Witches," you note, and written by a woman. A clever book, but she was potty. I recommend her other book, which is even pottier, which is called The Divine King in England. Ceremonial magic is one thing, the Wiccan tradition is another. Paganism is a feeling and an instinct. Whoever coined the expression "the old religion" did Paganism (in my opinion, and this is all my opinion!) a great disservice. So, to Laura Woodswalker Todd, here I am, Laura, walking in the woods. You wish the trees would take revenge. Have you seen the floods in Bangladesh? Magic was probably less prominent in the third season because I didn't write five of the episodes. Although the Tarot was used (incorrectly, I might add). And why the Round Table would be placed in the keeping of the heirs of Agrivaine when, in fact, Agrivaine was one of the people who helped to destroy the Fellowship, remains beyond me. Now then, "Satanic covens" stereotypes. Why would I pander to these negative cliches? Well, I'll try to answer that one. You have to believe in the Devil in order to worship him. The Bible is full of the Devil, both in the Old and the New Testament. The Bible is also full of magic, ceremonial magic, which has existed in every civilisation since Babylon. If you don't believe in the Devil you can't worship him, and there is no question that the negative power of evil is just as strong as the positive power of good, and certainly enforced chastity in the Middle Ages gave rise to all kinds of neuroses, some of which found outlets both in monasteries and in convents in deliberately upturning the magic rituals of the Judeo-Christian tradition. I don't know if there's (I've never studied it, anyway) I don't know if there are accounts of rabbis turning to black magic, but then rabbis are not celibate. Nevertheless, the Jewish tradition believes in demons and demonic forces and has banishing rituals. It's all done to gain power, of course - power over the material world. "All this I will give to you if you will bow down and worship me." (New Testament, the Devil to Jesus.) I'll come on to Gulnar later on, answering another letter. Why did Herne choose Robert? Why did Christ choose St. Paul? Why does anybody choose anybody? You know, you can't explain everything. If you do, it disappears. Duke Ellington said that once, he said about critics and analysts, he said: "If you take a daisy and you pull its petals off one by one, what have you got? You ain't got a daisy." I know that's a pretty flip answer, but sometimes analysis or explanation of everything that you put into a show kills the show. You must have mystery. Mystery is the essence of good drama. The guy got hooked on Marion. Then he got involved with the Merries, liked the excitement, saw that it was motivated by a desire for justice, and in a sense he was defying his father, becoming an outlaw, because his father was very Establishment. Do you remember the scene between them? So, all these things got him involved. Why did Patty Hearst become a terrorist? So, I would say that the three reasons that Robert became an outlaw were love, revelation, and excitement. No, Robert had had no previous experience of the Old Religion apart from the usual things of throwing salt over your left shoulder and not walking under ladders and...in other words, the superstitions which have survived in everybody to this day, even in the most materialistic world (black cats, etc.) Although black cats in America are different , aren't they? Strange, I don't know why that should be. No, he wouldn't have crossed himself and run like hell when he saw Herne. Robert has an innate curiosity and a lot of courage. Really, summing up your letter, Laura, people behave inconsistently all the time. Consistent people are dull and boring. Janet VanMeter: Well, I have to say: the series is male-oriented, and I suppose you're right, the forest is the Earth Mother, just as the rest of Britain is, and just as the whole world is. Richardson's book Earth God Rising suggests that there has been in recent years too much emphasis placed on the Goddess, to the exclusion of Her Consort, and yhat it's possible that we're going to see much more of a twosome in the Wiccan tradition from now on. That's certainly true in Britain. I mean, I went to a Wiccan wedding, and there was dear old Herne with the antlers, and why not? It's a uniting of the male and female principles. I can't go along for a female sun, but that's a personal thing; because in the Edda, the son of Munduforai is Mani [I'm just guessing the spellings here -H] and the daughter is Sol; and according to Brewer, the Lithuanians and the Arabians and the Mexicans and the Hindus, and apparently the Germans have "Frau Sonne" (Mrs. Sun) and Herr Mond (Mr. Moon, hence "man in the moon,") but I don't think you'll get a good Wiccan to see the moon as anything other than a female. Perhaps the Yin and Yang symbol sums it all up. There's a bit of Yin in the Yang, and a bit of Yang in the Yin, as there is in all of us. What's important is to unite the whole thing. Now on to Tina Evans. Again, trying to turn Herne into a woman, are you? Well, women can be as horny as men... The Horned God is the consort of the Goddess, and certainly Diana is portrayed as horned - the horns of the moon - so maybe your idea isn't as daft as it first seemed. Lynn: That's a nice theory, but I think you're pushing it to its limits to suggest that Herne was Robin i'th' Hood. He'd have had an awful job getting a hood over those horns... No, I will take you seriously. Again, the desire for total knowledge... We really know nothing of Herne's past. Good. I'm glad. We shouldn't. He is our mystery figure. You sound like a script editor. The moment I read things like "a practicing Wiccan," I realize just how dangerous organized religions can be. If you read the Robin Hood ballads, which is about the earliest thing we've got, he is always revering the Goddess under the disguise of Mary. And I'm sorry, I didn't use Craft belief to get them out of the jam when Michael left the show. I used Frazer's The Golden Bough. You're totally wrong about the British public knowing anything about Rhiannon or Arianrhod, because they don't. As I've said earlier, Herne is the consort of the Goddess in many Wiccan ceremonies over here. And no, I certainly didn't avoid the word "Goddess," Ariel. I just didn't need to use it. Absolutely, the main reason that Marion went to Kirklees was to avoid being married off to someone she didn't like, and she went to Halstead for sanctuary. She went, as it were, in retreat. Some of the convents in those days were like women's clubs. The nuns hunted, had lovers, and a bloody good time. They were usually quite rich, and some of those convents were extremely well endowed. (Presumably the lovers were too.) Good old Ariel, she got the message. She read Margaret Murray's funny book, The God of the Witches, and that's where I got Herne from. Somebody says I'm not sure entirely what I was getting at in The Swords of Wayland. According to my sources, the first Black Mass was performed as a lark by some priests of Louis XV or XVI or something of France. This is queried by Hilda, but as far as I'm concerned, they're not doing a Black Mass. They're invoking a demon. The best book on the Druids is by Stuart Piggott, and one of the things he says is that using text-free archaeological evidence in an attempt to see it in meaningful terms of human activities, we must recognize straightaway that the valid information it can give is strictly limited. But it's a good book about the Celts, anyway. The wheel stuff is good, but wheels are usually sun symbols. I've seen the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance. It's quite eerie. The antlers are very old. I like the bit about the actor playing the part before you. No, you don't play it the same way; nor do you write the legend in the same way. Would God you did! My task with Arthur would be that much easier. There are so many tangled strands to untangle and make some sort of sense of in the Arthur legend, because too many people had a go at it, with vastly different viewpoints. I prefer my faeries a little bit shorter than everybody else, but not tiny, obviously. They weren't thumbnail-sized winged sprites in Elizabethan times. Have you seen A Midsummer Night's Dream? Why were you stunned when you saw Marion weeping and wailing in Owen's castle? The girl was terrified of the situation with Gulnar, and Owen was completely different to the situation with King John. Try playing "Conquest" with Owen of Clun! He'd knock you down and rape you. Oh, the other thing is this business of having problems with crossed mythologies. You've got to understand, you people in the United States of America, that this little island has been invaded by everybody. For a quarter of our history we were run by Italians. We've had the Vikings, the Danes, the Saxons, and the French; the Picts, the Scots, and the Welsh. Look at present- day Wiccan tradition. It's a rag-bag of ideas from all over the place. Place names in England are French, Saxon, Viking, Roman...You have only to look at the number of strange religions in the United States to realize that Owen's particular mumbo-jumbo derives from very different sources. It's only archaeologists who snap off history into the Bronze Age, the Stone Age, the Iron Age, the Beaker People, etc. What are we going to be known as, the Motorway People? or the Airport People? Janet, your stuff is excellent about sorcery. Now then, what's Tuck doing out in the woods with a load of fogbound Herne-worshippers? He's a renegade monk. End of story. But not quite the end because he can see clearly that organized religion is corrupt, and that the Herne- followers (not worshippers) are essentially good. All mythology starts with the horizon, and all religion too; and with the changing seasons and the eternal questions: Who am I, and what am I doing here? Don't let's bring the Masons into it, for heaven's sake! I love "Owen and the Composite Pagans." That's exactly right. OK, Hilda, if you want Robert to have the possibility of having latent magical talent, why not? It doesn't worry me any. But he certainly won't have any either latent or blatant magical talent if we did any more episodes. This is all very incoherent, and I've more or less come to the end. I agree and disagree with all of you, and I love you too. If Robin of Sherwood has brought you together as friends, if it means that you read more about our desire to be at one with all things and to invest them with the magic of our imagination, then I hang my head humbly. People tell you to keep one foot firmly on the ground, and that's not a bad idea, but if you do, you'll never dance. Well, I dictated that a long time ago. Well, not all that long ago. And I think it was Hilda's letter to me today that prompted me to have a go at Cousins (I love the name!) Issue 3, February 1992, so I'm catching up, aren't I? It's a super idea, this letterzine, because particularly throwing up all sorts of mythological cross-references and what have you. So I thought I'd put in my pennyworth for Issue 3 and at least be topical, if magic can be topical. So, let's have a look...By the way, where is Mu/Lemuria, it's in the Pacific. First question answered... Murry Hope is a lady, not a fellow. Second question, well, not "question," but first mistake answered. She has written, in fact, an extremely cogent book on Atlantis. Don't pooh- pooh Atlantis. I've been working with a deep-trance medium who has been to Atlantis and comes from Atlantis, and I'm absolutely certain that I did, too. Single-source theory? I don't know what you're talking about. What about the Big Bang? Isn't that single-source theory? And everything starts somewhere, not in about five places at once. Thank you, Woodswalker! The whole business about writing a television series that has a slight mystical bent (if you like to put it like that) is that the writer is God. He can do what he wants. And it's very wrong to sort of come up with an agenda, and then force your characters into it, because your characters take over and say things and do things that you didn't expect them to do. It's part of the creative process, and so if it doesn't fit into some neat theory (using "neat" in its proper context) that's just too bad. It is the most beautiful pre-Spring day here! I can't tell you... [A "tweet" of agreement from some anonymous bird... -H] Robert's reason for going into Sherwood. Well, one, he was rebelling against his father and injustice. He had a very strong sense of justice. And, two, he'd fallen in love with Marion; and three, he was called by Herne, in a sense. People often struggle against the call, but the call proves too strong for them. Horns, well...Female horns? Certainly. The horns of the moon. And if you really want a great Goddess with horns, you can't do better than Isis Herself. Or maybe I answered that in my reply to Cousins #2 earlier on this tape. Yes, you're right about Belleme and black magic. He brought it back from the Crusades. He even looked as if he was dressed in Arabic gear, if you remember. He is using ceremonial magic and he's invoking a demon to gain power. You don't have to go to Argentina, as I've explained about the German Mr. Moon and Mrs. Sun. Well, the Rotary Club wheel is actually the Round Table, I think. Oh no, it's not, that's another thing called the "Round Table" which is similar to Rotary. I can't help you with Cromm Cruach. Antony isn't into Paganism, although he's written a very lively book of world mythology for kids in a very contemporary style, which is what it needs. I don't know what Gulnar was trying to accomplish in Cromm Cruach. Now, in Time of the Wolf he's out to kill Herne. Well, of course he is. He's a rival shaman. He can't kill Fenris, no. Fenris is a mythological creature. What magical powers does Isadora's Round Table possess? Well, if it is in fact King Arthur's Round Table, which it's supposed to be, it possesses the power to unify and bring together ("round table" conferences and all the rest of it). It's a seat of power, it's a magic circle. It represents the horizon, and probably had (and certainly will have in my version) the zodiac signs around it. It also represents 360 degrees, of course, which is the year. I don't know where we got the other five from. What does the Silver Arrow do? What does a crown do? What does a scepter do? What does the President's seal do? It doesn't do anything. It's a symbol of power. That's all. As you probably know, I drew issue with the designer of the Silver Arrow. I wanted a beautiful Silver Arrow about 18 inches long, carved with sort of Celtic designs but recognizably an arrow, not a sort of early medieval dildo. Yes, I'm into Tarot cards. I use the Marseilles deck, because it's one of the earliest. Some of them misinterpret very badly the original meanings of the cards. That's why I use one of the earliest. Hey, come off it, Janet! "In general the TV series seemed to not want to probe past the surfaces. Is this a general failing of TV...they want the characters to stay the same cardboard cutouts week after week? They seem to avoid any references to past events, as if they're afraid to offend some viewer who hasn't seen the earlier episodes." No, the series didn't want you to forget that there was a Loxley as quickly as possible. In fact, in the very last episode, one of the reasons that Marion goes into the convent is because one of her men, the man that she mystically married in the very first episode, died; and she's terrified to lose a second husband, which is why she just finally can't take it any longer when she "finds his body." And once having committed, when he comes back to her, she feels that the shock of seeing what she thought was his dead body is just too much her and she's not going to go through the possibility of it happening, which of course is more or less inevitable with revolutionaries. The establishment, generally speaking, tracks them down and kills them. They're too dangerous. But I don't like "cardboard cutouts." I thought I'd actually created rounded characters with a bit of depth to them. If they were merely cardboard cutouts, I doubt if there would have been the outburst of fanzines in the States that there has been, and I don't think you can put it down to a desire to fill in the characters and round them out. Janet, the reasons that Robert becomes an outlaw are obvious in the story. He loathes Owen of Clun, he falls in love with Marion, and he has to get Marion back when his father says that he will do nothing about it because Owen of Clun is on the borders. In other words, he's a marcher lord. And King John would get very cross if the Earl of Huntingdon made waves with regard to the political situation on the Welsh marches; and therefore the Earl is going to do nothing about Marion, so Robert does. He goes back to Herne for help in tracking down the outlaws and then, after he's fought with them and rescued Marion, he has become an outlaw whether he likes it or not. I mean, if I go out and meet a gang of criminals and get them to save my girlfriend illegally from a rich man who's kidnapped her, who happens to be related to a High Court judge, I am branded a criminal, whether I like it or not! I mean, sometimes I think people are so busy examining minutiae that they can't see the wood for the trees! The other reason (and this is my criticism of American television) is that I have written shows before that had to go out in a certain order, obviously Episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (it's logical, isn't it?) and what happens in America is that they put them out in any order! In a recent showing of Robin of Sherwood in the States, they mixed all of the series up so that some weeks it was Michael being Robin Hood and another week it would be Jason being Robin Hood, which must for people who had never seen the show at all have been totally confusing. When I do King Arthur, I'm going to insist that it go out like a soap. I mean, they don't scramble episodes of Dallas and Dynasty, or do they? Or even Cagney and Lacey, or even Star Trek: The Next Generation? Then why should they take a British show and just scramble it any way they like? It really makes me really mad, actually. And then I get accused of not developing the characters from week to week or referring back to previous episodes. That is precisely why. I tell you, a scriptwriter has to be a juggler and a tightrope walker at the same time. You must remember that Marion has been brought up by Sir Richard of Leaford, who is a straight establishment figure who goes off to the Crusades and is reported dead, and then Marion becomes the ward of the Church. So why the hell should she know anything about Samhain, for God's sake? You're trying to turn ancient beliefs into a religion all the time, you people! It isn't! It isn't organized! There aren't covens and grand covens and head covens and Wiccan Incorporated. It just isn't like that. And pray God it never gets like that, because it'll die if it does. Page 6: I like Phil Kramer. A simple, to-the-point letter. That's really what it's all about. Simple is best. Mary Ann (or Marion) - she likes Hugo's description: "As long as they have their children baptized and are married and buried as Christians, I don't much care what they get up to." In fact, this is the whole essence of what one belief does to another. It takes its rituals and uses them with a different belief. Magic wells, holy water. Fertility rites, Easter. And you're wrong, they did burn people at the stake in England. They burnt Catholics. Protestants burnt Catholics, and I think Catholics burnt Protestants as well. And I think there was a bit of burning in Scotland of witches. No, you're right, the witches wouldn't have worshipped Satan. Possibly a few nutty priests would have done that. The main thrust of most of the letters is the puzzlement by the Pagans in America as to why I didn't use the Goddess in Robin of Sherwood. I just didn't. That's all. End of story! I couldn't have the Goddess and Herne, and I wanted Herne. And this question of pantheon-hopping...These pantheons have been created by literary scholars in universities. There weren't pantheons. People had beliefs, that's all, and I think I explained on the first side of this tape that we are a very mongrel race, just as you are becoming a very mongrel race if you could break up your ghettoes. (Mind you, we've got ghettoes too.) But you haven't been invaded and taken over many, many times in the course of your history. Yeah, you're right about Margaret Murray's books. They are very controversial, and The Sacred King in England is even more controversial. While we're on the subject...well, we're not, but anyhow, Druids believed in blood sacrifice. Human sacrifice. The idea of these lovely old men is bollocks, quite frankly. Oh, yes, I know the story of William Rufus. I don't know the original source for the story, and I'd like somebody to find it, the actual original source. Yes, St. Brigit. Hilda, you're quite right. I didn't know about "Robin" being part of the male anatomy in old Welsh and Cornish. That's interesting. I think, really, you've got it right. Herne was a local deity. It was actually Windsor Great Park, but I transposed him to Sherwood Forest. Yes, Gulnar is a howling loony. Yes, Morgana picked up Isis. "Kernel" or seed for Herne is good. If you want to make a really good Tarot deck, read up about the Tarot and then get photographs of people you know who you think represent the different archetypes (in the Major Arcana, anyway) and make the deck yourself. Anybody who draws a Tarot deck themselves, even if they copy another Tarot deck, is making a very much more powerful deck. If you ain't an artist, use an ordinary deck and just decorate it a bit. I mean, paint some of the colors brighter or something on the figures. Page 11: Am I a Pagan? Find out. And what do I think of Cousins? I think it's terrific! I don't think it's silly at all. Not that I care what you think. You don't care what I think. Good, Hilda. Herne is more concerned with balance than with good per se. That's exactly the point I made, I think, on the previous side of this tape. Oh, dear, this thing about the Devil. Lucifer, who is the Light-Bringer, fell from Heaven because of the sin of pride, which is why pride is the worst of the seven deadly sins. He's also the hero of Paradise Lost by Milton, who is far more interested in Lucifer than he is in Adam and Eve. It's a great poem, written in wonderful Jacobean English, of Man's first disobedience and the fruit of that forbidden tree. That's how it opens. But then, you know that. Yes, a Priestess of Bast would lift her skirts to show her congregation the Divine Portal of Life. Might I suggest that a really fascinating book is called The Nazarene Gospel Restored, by Robert Graves. Well, by Graves and Podrow, a Jewish rabbi, who came to the same conclusion about the New Testament. You must remember that Christianity was not founded by Jesus. It was founded by St. Paul, an ex-SS man. According to Graves, Jesus was the rightful heir to the ancient Jewish throne of Israel, a priest-king position, and the reason for that was that Mary was a princess of the House of Israel. Anyhow, get the book out and read it. Even if you only read the introduction, it'll open your eyes. It's very ?intimatic? [Not sure of this word. -H] Graves later wrote a book called King Jesus, which was a novel based on the book of scholarship. I warn you, it's a huge book, but it's fascinating, and it's full of Graves' usual flimflam and playing with words and very illogical explanations for everything, but it's lovely. Now, [pages flipping, indistinct mumbling] Marion is a Mary Sue, I knew that when I wrote it...Yes, there are not enough women really in the show. I'm going to correct that if we do King Arthur, because we've got a lot of permanent ladies in that. We've got Gwynvar, we've got Morgan, we've got Vivian, we've got Morgause, we've got Palomides. Ah! Who is Palomides? Well, Palomides actually is a Saracen knight in the Morte D'Arthur, but I can't obviously have another Saracen knight in a television series, so I'm making her a Greek Amazon warrior lady. And she falls in love with guess who? Well, who was Tristan's rival for Isolde? Who? Well, it was Palomides, wasn't it? Well, I thought I'd keep that going, except that my Palomides is a woman who falls in love with Isolde. Why not? In Camelot 3000, Tristan comes back as a woman. I've got to kill this idea in the bud that old Robin Hoods become Hernes. There's no such thing as "old Robin Hood." They get killed. Herne is a shaman, is a man who becomes the God when he dresses up as the God. He could have dressed up as the Goddess. A lot of shamans do this, but I don't think the television audience was ready for this. So, Kathy Allard...Interests besides the obvious (whatever that means): shamanic journeying and Herne as shaman. She's got it absolutely right. Is "fen" the plural of fan? I thought it was a wet, marshy place. Right, that's all, folks. I hope I haven't bored the pants off any of you. Oh, quite a few of you I wouldn't mind boring the pants off... No, I shouldn't have said that, that's terribly male and chauvinistic. But only an American fan journal, or whatever you call it, could start with "This issue's Fun Word: Tanist" [this with an American accent that makes me wish I were Chinese... -H] I love it! I suppose that's the difference between our two cultures in a nutshell.