Article 23862 of alt.music.smash-pumpkins: Path: castle.nando.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!agnew From: agnew@cae.wisc.edu (Eric Agnew) Newsgroups: alt.music.smash-pumpkins,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: alt.music.smash-pumpkins - Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v1.10 Supersedes: <4g47ou$15ak@news.doit.wisc.edu> Followup-To: alt.music.smash-pumpkins Date: 17 Mar 1996 06:40:05 GMT Organization: Foundation For SP Enlightenment (FFSPE) Lines: 1946 Sender: agnew@cae.wisc.edu Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Expires: 17 April 96 Message-ID: <4igc45$a5q@news.doit.wisc.edu> Reply-To: agnew@cae.wisc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: hp-169.cae.wisc.edu Summary: This FAQ answers questions about the Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the Smashing Pumpkins in general, their music, info about them, sites with available stuff, etc. It is posted monthly. Keywords: alt.music.smash-pumpkins, Smashing Pumpkins, music, Billy Corgan Originator: agnew@hp-169.cae.wisc.edu Xref: castle.nando.net alt.music.smash-pumpkins:23862 alt.answers:18285 news.answers:72582 Archive-name: music/smashing-pumpkins-faq Posting-Frequency: monthly (17th) Last-modified: 3/17/96 00:32 CST Version: 1.10 URL: http://www.engr.wisc.edu/~agnew/sp-faq.html 

Extra special notice: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BILLY CORGAN!! :)

 Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins FAQ! Changes/updates from previous main
versions are marked by a '*'. Please read this (the whole thing, even!)
before posting. It contains a TON of information compiled over a long period
of time, and will save you a lot of time asking, and save everyone else a lot
of time answering... :)

If you are new to Usenet, or if you haven't already read them, *PLEASE* read
the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers" - it has a LOT of
info about how newsgroups work, how to write meaningful posts, where to find
information, etc. EVERYONE should read these.

Note: The FAQ is now available in full .html format! Everyone load up Netscape
2.0 (frames included) and check it out- it should be -much- better than the
text version... :) I've also cleaned up the table of contents a bit...


                         -=TABLE of CONTENTS=-

  1.   -General-
  1.1  General newsgroup info
  1.2  Mailing list- getting on/off
  1.3  General netiquette, etc.
  1.4  subject lines
  1.5  acronyms/abbreviations, etc.
  1.6  "ObSP"?
  1.7  EZine?
  1.8  Questions NOT to ask under ANY circumstance.
  1.9  Threads you shouldn't bring up again.
  
  2.   -Songs-
  2.1  Lyrics
  2.1a incorrect copies
  2.1b Corrections
* 2.2  Guitar tablature
  2.2b Piano scores
  2.3  Songs SP have covered
  2.3a ...even that Depeche Mode one
  2.4  Where to find a given song
  2.4a Siamese Dream- the song
  2.5  songs sung by other members
* 2.6  secret messages/sounds (DOOM, etc.)
  2.6a blurb after Spaceboy/before Silverfuck?
* 2.7  song/album meanings
  2.8  unreleased songs on Vieuphoria
* 2.9  remastered Gish
  2.10 1979 remix
  2.11 Different covers for Siamese Dream
  
  3.   -Band Info-
  3.1  Origin of name
  3.2  First appearance
  3.3  Birthdays
  3.4  Short biographical sketches...
  3.5  Pronounciation of Iha
  3.6  BC doing most of SD recording
  3.7  the "they suck live" thread
* 3.8  Equipment
  3.8a Voice effect in Silverfuck
  3.8b E-bow
  3.9  Band's marital statuses
  3.10 SP & the Sun Times
  3.11 "The" in band name
* 3.12 Billy and "Small Wonder"
* 3.13 Scratchie Records
  
  4.   -Availability of Merchandise-
  4.1  Worth of rarities
  4.2  obtaining rarities
  4.3  obtaining bootlegs
* 4.4  SP books
  4.5  What is there?
* 4.6  Videos
  4.7  T-shirts
  4.8  Getting people to send you stuff
  4.9  the Frogs (from Vieuphoria)
* 4.10 Trading boots
  
  5.   -News-
  5.1  Double Door concerts
  5.1a recordings of DD
  5.2  new/upcoming songs
  2.3  stolen DATs
  5.4  keyboardist
* 5.5  Old News
* 5.6  New News
* 5.7  Cabal (...) / Junta (...) stuff
  5.8  Tour info
  
  6.   -Misc/Net stuff-
  6.1  SD font
  6.1a MCIS font
  6.1b Font installation
* 6.2  GeekUSA Screen Raver
  6.3  Bootlist & discography info
* 6.4  Web pages/ftp sites
  
  7.   -Conclusion-
  7.1  Acknowledgments
  7.2  Disclaimer



1.                    -= GENERAL INFORMATION =-

1.1  General newsgroup info

     Well, the general concensus seems to be that it's for discussion about
   the Smashing Pumpkins. Other than that, it seems to be free, although the
   topics should, more or less, stick to SP.


1.2  How to get on/off the mailing list

     Because so many people get on the list with no clue what they're doing,
   I'm going to make it just a little difficult. Not really, but it forces
   you to read the list FAQ before subscribing. Send an email message to
   listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with the message body:

     info smashing-pumpkins

   You will soon receive the Listessa FAQ. Read it.

   Now, since so many people seem to lose their brain when it comes to
   getting OFF the list, here's how to unsubscribe, straight from Karl:

   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
   How to unsubscribe from the Smashing Pumpkins Mailing List - V 1.0b
   By Karl R. Daher, Maintainer of the "Smashing Pumpkins" Mailing List

   To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to 
   LISTPROC@cc.umanitoba.ca ( ***NOT*** smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca ) 
   with the following, and ***ONLY*** the following, in the body of the letter:

   unsub smashing-pumpkins

   Do ***NOT*** include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of 
   your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter. 

   Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying 
   'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the 
   list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you 
   are still getting letters, and you are sure you have following the 
   instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for 
   help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list. 

   PLEASE SAVE THIS LETTER!!!
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

   Also, do not post a message to the list asking how to get off. It's very
   annoying, and usually doesn't result in much, except flames & wasted space.
   Another thing to do is CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE. It's very annoying to see
   messages with "Re: SMASHING-PUMPKINS Digest #2015", etc.

     For more help/info on the listproc server & software, send a message to
   the same address with simply the body "help" as your message.


1.3  General netiquette, etc.

*
     As with other newsgroups, there are certain things you just shouldn't do.
   First off, do not post make.money.fast or any of its variants. Yes, they
   really are illegal, besides being incredibly annoying, especially when
   long meta-threads develop over them. 

     Every once in a while someone will come in, thinking they are all cool,
   and flame SP. When you see a subject line like "Billy Cogran is a fag!"
   or "Billy blows goats!" or "Smashing Pumpkings suck!!!1!" (they usually
   manage to misspell -something-), don't even bother replying, unless you
   have such a sarcastic wit that everyone else will enjoy reading your
   retort...

     Take care when discussing other groups. There's this magic thing called
   a -personal opinion- that most people seem to have. If you don't like a
   band someone else likes, you don't need to tell them. After all, this is
   the SP newsgroup, not the "other bands I like/don't like" newsgroup...

     Check the "newsgroups:" line before posting. If it has the entire
   alt.music.* hierarchy, don't post. Trim it down. Crossposting is a very bad
   thing, especially in music newsgroups. It generates a lot of flames and
   wasted space/time. Don't crosspost. If you can't see a line that says
   "Newsgroups:" in the header, then don't assume it's only going to the SP
   newsgroup.

     Some people have a "more-of-a-SP-fan-than-thou" mentality. They may feel
   that someone who doesn't worship SP as much as them shouldn't be entitled
   to read/post to the newsgroup. This is absolutely ridiculous. As long as
   you aren't flaming them, and are staying on topic, it shouldn't be a
   problem. We all started off not knowing much. Some people just start to
   get "into" them at a later time. And, of course, some people never do get
   "into" them. It's called -personal opinion-, which everyone is entitled to.
   Don't flame people for their own personal tastes- it's just stupid...


1.4  What do those strange things in the subject lines mean?

     You may occassionaly see some 3/4-letter signs at the beginning of a
   subject line. This was suggested to me by Josh Sherman
   (jsherman@u.washington.edu), and it seemed like a really good idea, so
   here it is...

     The basic concept is that it's easier to follow threads when you know
   what they're going to be about. So we use little abbreviations that tell
   what the message will be about. One can't always count on "Re: SP" to be
   a very on-topic or informative post. So there are little tags to put in.

     Josh's ideas basically just entailed the use of "Disc:" and "Tan:" to
   distinguish whether there was actual "legitimate," directly-related-to-SP
   topics, or whether it was off on a wild tangent.

     I have come up with a few more, and hopefully they'll be of good use.
   Some of these are used for than others, and they haven't quite caught on
   yet, but we might as well hope. They are -somewhat- useful, at least...

   FS:   For Sale- if you want to sell your -SP- material (nothing else), or
         if you are willing to pick up stuff for other people (see 4.8)
   ISO:  If you want to see if someone can get something for you (see 4.8)
   Tan:  Off on a tangent to something kinda-related, but not really...
   Lyr:  Indicates that the article will contain lyrics, or discussion of them
   Req:  Request for tablature, lyrics, etc. (if they don't already exist) :)
   Site: WWW/ftp site announcement/pointer-to, etc.
   Tab:  Does the same for guitar tablature (this is usually done already)
   Q:    When someone has a question they want answered
   Ans:  When someone answers that question (easier to find than Re: Q, since
         if the Ans: is there, you'll know it's been answered, instead of just
         "Ooh! I wanna know, too!" ;)
   WTD:  Wanted (see "ISO")
   WTB:  Wanted To Buy (")


1.5  What are all those acronyms/abbreviations, etc?

     Usually, the name Smashing Pumpkins is abbreviated to either "'Pumpkins"
   or just plain old "SP." Other acryonyms are for songs, albums, etc. Here's
   a few common ones, the rest can usually be figured out (i.e. songs):

   amsp (or a.m.s-p)  The newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins
   BC   Billy Corgan, the Great Pumpkin himself... :)
   BwBW Bullet w/ Butterfly Wings (the song/single)
   CR   Cherub Rock (the song, CDS, or 7")
   DD   Double Door- the tiny venue they played at in February '95 (see 5.1)
   MCIS (or MC&IS, or MCatIS, etc.) Mellon Collie and the Inifinite Sadness,
        the new album (duh!) 
   ng   newsgroup
   NP:  Now Playing (used at the end of a message to indicate what you're
        listening to at the moment.)
   PI   Pisces Iscariot, their b-sides compilation release from 10/94
   PS   Context-sensitive. Could be Peel Sessions (a 3-track EP), Pumpkin Seeds
        (a bootleg), or Purr Snickety, the rare Cherub Rock 7" B-side song
   SD   Siamese Dream (usually the album, although may mean the actual song)
   SP   Smashing Pumpkins
  (sp?) (Spelling?) -indicated someone is unsure of their spelling


1.6  What's an "ObSP"?

     Most people don't like to read message that have nothing whatsoever to do
   with SP (esp. in the SP newsgroup).  The "Ob" is short for "Obligatory",
   and so an ObSP would just be a short statement about SP in a message that
   would otherwise have very little to do w/ SP, so that the article doesn't
   remain void of their discussion... It is an especially good idea to use an
   ObSP on the mailing list, although the main topic of list messages should
   be SP anyway...


1.7  What's the EZine?

     The EZine is an Electronic Magazine that was maintained by Allison Baird
   (AllisonBai@aol.com)/(baird321@halcyon.com). There are two issues out now,
   which are both available on my web page. Rumor has it that someone else will
   be taking over and making new issues... :)



1.8  Questions NOT to ask under ANY circumstance.

     Under no circumstance should anyone ask any of the following questions:

   -What's that Depeche Mode cover? (Where, etc.)
   -How do I get on/off the mailing list?
   -When are they touring in my city?

     These have come up SO often that they will piss off many people when
   mentioned (including me). The DM/NLMDA question has died a bit now, but
   the other questions haven't. Actually, they've gotten SO frequent and
   obnoxious that I've made a MiniFAQ (Frequent, Annoying Questions) that
   gets posted every week (except FAQ week).

   Getting on (and especially off) the list is a very hot topic, and even
   though the answers are THERE, people STILL have to ask. But don't. If
   you managed to find out how to subscribe, you should be able to figure
   out how to unsubscribe. Just look in the same place you learned to sub-
   scribe from. If that doesn't work, try my page and/or this FAQ (1.2).

   Finally, as far as a tour, check Josh Sherman's web page. It will list
   all known tour dates. If it's not there yet, it means we don't know yet.
   So it's pointless to ask. :)

   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsherman/tour.html

   Please. Don't ask these questions. You'll most likely be ignored or flamed
   if you do. As a general rule, most people tend not to answer questions for
   which the answers are readily available through a little effort and looking
   around. Check the web pages.


1.9  Threads you shouldn't bring up again.

     The following threads have run through at LEAST a dozen times before-
   we REALLY don't need to hear it AGAIN:

   -"Tristessa" means "sadness" in Spanish, French, Italian, Latin, etc.
    (actual spellings may vary slightly)

   -"Soma" was a drug in the book "Brave New World", greek for "body", a
    legendary place where people sleep for a billion years, some god, and
    about a million other things. We've heard it before. Lots of times. :P"

   -If you hold up the back of the PI CD to the light, you can see Billy
    through the white thingy on the other side, or he lights up if you look
    through the other way. I should have put this in here LONG ago. According
    to someone who works with the band, BC said it was a complete accident.

   -The same trick works for the front liner with the fish pan & the flip
    side, where the necklace seen through the other page looks like an eye.
    Wow. This has been noticed many times before.

   -"[song x] must be about Kurt Cobain" - please. We don't need to hear it.
    Billy writes about himself. The feelings and lifestyle Kurt had were not
    unique to him alone. Other people have had similar feelings, including
    Billy. I think BC's a lot more likely to write about himself. Sure, it's
    easy to see a possibility there, but it's also easy to do that with just
    about anything else. Point is, we've heard it to the point of annoyance.

   -"[song x] is about drugs, right?" - see above. It's been overdone.

   -"Collective Soul ripped off the Pumpkins!" or similar threads. Music is
    music. It's been discussed to death, and the whole topic just plain sucks. 

   -Moshing. Some like it, some hate it. BC seems to not like it, but doesn't
    ban it. In any case, discussing moshing (esp. on the list) seems only to
    result in flamewars, so please keep your opinions on this matter,
    enlightened as they may be , to yourself.



2.                             -= SONGS =-


2.1  Where can I find lyrics?

     There are lots of lyrics out there. Lots of sites carry them. If you
   don't want to look far, my homepage attempts to consolidate all the
   existing lyrics in their best (i.e. most accurate) forms.

   The URL for my SP page is http://www.engr.wisc.edu/~agnew/sp.html

   (plug, plug, plug!) 
   See 6.4 for more links.


2.1a Why is my lyrics file all wrong?

     If you have an older copy of the Gish lyrics, there are quite a few
   glaring errors, most notable in the first verse of Siva. This is because
   there are really no "official" lyrics for anything, except Siamese Dream,
   and now MC&IS, and people still refuse to believe those (SD) sometimes.
   Also, BC tends to change his words sometimes, so what you read may not be
   exactly what you hear. Also, most of these lyrics are the result of hard
   listening, and may not always be correct. BC has a tendency to not really
   pronounce his words sometimes... :)

   WEB PAGE OWNERS: Please, please, please- either update your lyrics as
   often as they are corrected, or else link them directly to those on my
   page if you must have them. It's really counterproductive to have old,
   incorrect lyrics floating around online when better, more correct copies
   are available...


2.1b Well, is there a correct version out there?

     As I said, only SD & MC&IS are really official, so the best we can do is
   listen really close, and compare what we find out, sometimes making 10
   corrections in the same place before finally figuring it out (i.e. "Frail
   and bedazzled from all the glare" remained debated until someone saw/heard
   him live at the Double Door concerts.) At any rate, we try to come up with
   the best lyrics, but it's not always completely possible. If you know of
   any corrections to be made to the lyrics you find on my page, for example,
   please email me about it. We all want the right words, but sometimes it's
   just not all that easy... :)


2.2  Where can I find tablature?

*    Welp, Nevada's tab archive has been shut down due to some lame copyright
   junk (red tape?). There are still plenty of mirror sites, though, and lots
   of tab is also available on web pages. The list of tab archive mirrors is:

   ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/guitar/
   http://www.guitar.net/olga/
   ftp://ftp.uu.net/doc/music/guitar/
   http://harmony-central.mit.edu/~ftp/mirrors/olga/guitar/
   http://www.vol.it/MIRROR4/EN/olga/
   ftp://ftp.cosy.sbg.ac.at/pub/mirror/guitar/
   ftp://ftp.diku.dk/pub/music/guitar/
   http://gaston.unice.fr/~paubert/musique/src/src.html
   ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/
   ftp://ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/
   ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/doc/guitar/
   ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/misc/guitar/
   ftp://ftp.forthnet.gr/pub/guitar/
   ftp://ftp.ci.ua.pt/pub/music/guitar/other/
   ftp://ftp.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pub/mirror/guitar/

   There is a tab book out for Siamese Dream, and one for MCIS is supposed to
   come out soon.


2.2b What about piano music?

     Yes! There's that, too. Since MCIS, there's now more keyboard-type stuff.
   The full score for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (complete with
   synth, clarinet, and cello parts) is available on my web page, as well as
   the opening line to "Thru the Eyes of Ruby". I'll work on "Farewell and
   Goodnight" at a later date...


2.3  Songs SP have covered

     SP have covered quite a few songs now, so if you're dazed and confused,
   then great, but chances are, most of us have heard about it...
   Here's a list:

  Song:                        Originally By:
  --------------------------------------------------------
  Dancing in the Moonlight     Thin Lizzy
  Girl Named Sandoz            the Animals
  Godzilla                     Blue Oyster Cult
  Jackie Blue                  Ozark Mountain Daredevils
  Landslide                    Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac)
  Never Let Me Down (Again)    Depeche Mode
  Out of Focus                 Blue Cheer [ofttimes mislabelled as "Angel"]
  Sunshine of Your Love        Cream    [note: only a tiny bit is done]
  Terrapin                     Syd Barrett   [also mis-listed as "The Fishes"
                                              and as "Crystal Blue"]

     They've also covered Depeche Mode's "I Feel You" (a bit of it, at least)
   and David Bowie's "Kooks", both featuring James on vocals, as well as
   little blurbs of "Stonehenge" by Spinal Tap and the Doors' "The End", but
   they aren't available on any CD bootlegs. They've also been rumored to
   have covered the Cure's "Boys Don't Cry" and "Just Like Heaven," but no
   known recordings have been made of either of these. They've also done a
   whole lot of very short blurbs from different songs, one that seems to
   recur is a verse from "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" sung in the middle of
   live Silverfuck performances (after the "bang bang..." part). There have
   also been a large number of covers they've done live, but since they don't
   show up on any CD boots, I'm not going to mention them.

     There is rumored to be a new 4-track EP coming out soon, on which each
   member of the band will choose a song to cover.


2.3a ...even that Depeche Mode one

     Yes. Smashing Pumpkins really did cover the Depeche Mode song "Never Let
   Me Down Again."  The "Again" is left out on the title of the SP releases.

     This is one of the questions that drove me nuts enough to write this
   FAQ, so PLEASE don't ask it again... :) It's available on the Rocket 7"
   and CDS, as well as the bootlegs Astoria '94, London '94, and We Are From
   Another Planet. The original Depeche Mode version can be found on their
   album "Music for the Masses."


2.4  Where to find a given song

     There's another resource out there (also on my homepage) that lists
   every song they've ever done and exactly where it's available in all cases.
   It's called the "Bootlist By Song", and is basically a rearranged conglom-
   eration of Karl Daher's bootlist and Roger Janssen's discography, only
   arranged by song instead of by medium. It'll tell you every single instance
   a song is available.

   The URL is http://www.engr.wisc.edu/~agnew/BLBS.html


2.4a Siamese Dream- the song.

     There is a song called Siamese Dream, that isn't on the album. The only
   way to get it, unfortunately, is as the b-side of the Disarm 7". Vinyl
   only. Same goes for Purr Snickety, which is on the Cherub Rock 7".


2.5  Who sings [x]? It doesn't sound like Billy...

     Billy sings most, but not all songs.
   The songs that feature James on lead vocals are:

   Believe (1979 single), Blew Away, The Boy (1979 import), Country Girl (DD),
   I Feel You [non-CD], Kooks [ditto], Said Sadly (w/ guest Nina Gordon of
   Veruca Salt), Take Me Down, and Terrapin.

   D'Arcy sings on "Daydream" (Gish) and in the second verse of"Farewell and
   Goodnight", as well as backup on many other songs.

   Jimmy sings the second verse w/ D'Arcy on "Farewell and Goodnight."


2.6  secret messages/sounds (DOOM, etc.)

     Sometimes there are little blurbs that you can make out at the very end
   or beginning of a song, and some songs have little sound effects you can
   find in the middle, or somewhere else... Some of them aren't really much of
   a secret, some are just plain wierd, and some require extremely close lis-
   tening... The DOOM explosion in the liner notes is listed below, under
   "Where Boys Fear to Tread". Other "hidden sounds" include, but are not
   limited to:

   Bodies - during the second "Love is suicide" chorus, there are some words
            being mumbled in the background.

   Bury Me - song opens with James saying something of continuous debate
             (most popular ideas being "Boys, let's do it" and "poised like
             an angel")

   Cherry - at the very beginning, Billy says "Listen- wanna just start it?"
            then Jimmy says "Ready, Flood?" Flood replies "Yeah." and Billy
            counts up to 4 before they start in again

*  Daydream - at 1:10.5 you can hear a tap/click noise, supposedly from the
              cellist's bow hitting the wood. There are also jingly noises,
              probably from a bracelet, most notable around 1:20-21

   Galapogos -  from 3:16-27 you can hear muttering in the background

   Glynis - very beginning has some computerized voice saying "Hello," which
             allegedly comes from a Red Red Meat song...

   Hello Kitty Kat - ending, BC mumbles "Song's over"

   Honey Spider I - on some versions, you can barely hear Billy laughing "Aha!
                    That's everything! Haa..." at the very end

   Hummer - after the song, you can hear "classical music or something"...

*  La Dolly Vita - there's a weird "ooh!" noise at 3:33, and a cuckoo at 3:44

   Obscured - Billy mumbles "yeah" or "oh" or something like that at 0:11

   Pissant - Billy yells "Woo!" at the end...

*  Quiet - at the very end, there is a (barely audible) weird sound that
           resembles cartoons played warbly-fast & fuzzed out a bit...
           
   Silverfuck - at very end, BC says "Alright, this take, don't give a fuck"
                and plays a few notes

   Siva (PS version) - at 4:09, D'arcy says "Wait- I just stepped on my [?]"
                       and Billy counts up to 4 for the loud re-entry

   Soma - at the end, a clip from TV [?] "...And you need to resist the devil,
          so that he will flee"

   Soothe - "You can hear the 7am buses slithering by." (-BC, PI liner notes)

   Spaceboy/Silverfuck- There's a rather odd conversation at the end/
            beginning... (See 2.6a below)

   Starla - 5:27-5:30 "listen for the police car go by" (-BC, PI linder notes)

   Where Boys Fear to Tread - you can hear the DOOM explosion mentioned in the
                              liner notes at 1:20, 1:55, 2:29, 3:01, 3:44


2.6a end of Spaceboy/beginning of Silverfuck

     Someone is having a little conversation. On some CDs it's at the end
   of Spaceboy, and on others it's on the beginning of Silverfuck. It has been
   argued as to where it "really" belongs- due to the way tracks are set up, it
   appears on some at the end of Spaceboy, so that if someone skips to SF, the
   song starts right away. On other CDs, it is included in the SF track, which
   does make a little more sense, as far as fitting with the song (more so than
   it would with Spaceboy, at least). Anyway, here's what we hear, regardless
   of where it is on the track listing:

     "Now it's, uh, kind of strange, and, uh, kinda hard for me to talk about,
   but I thought maybe you could help- um, when we start getting physical,
   rather than having intercourse, he ends up just masturbating himself, and I
   end up feeling very alienated and unsatisfied, and it's really come between
   us-"

     Well, that's a rather candid monologue... [!] This seems to be from some
   talk show or something- in one source, Billy said it was from an anonymous
   source, and that he couldn't say where it was from, for fear of being sued.


2.7  What does song [x] mean?? Is "Gish" named after Lillian Gish? Etc.

     Well, there's been a lot of discussion about the meanings of various
   songs. Unfortunately, there's so much of it that it won't fit nicely into
   this FAQ. I'll probably start compiling all the little reviews into a sep-
   arate file (part 2 of the FAQ?) if interest ensues. That way we can have a
   collected archive of song meanings, rather than have the same arguments of
   which song is about writer's block and which is about depression, etc... If
   you have any submissions to add to this file, email me or something... It
   may take a while to compile them all and get enough to post as a file, but
   maybe there's already enough to merit a second part...

*    A few things that have been covered often: Today deals w/ suicidal
   thoughts; Hummer is about overcoming writer's block...

     Gish was "not really" named after Lillian Gish, a silent movie actress
   Here's an interview clip from 120 Minutes, 11/91 (DK=Dave Kendall):

   DK: OK, well, your debut album is called 'Gish,' and this is named, 
     I guess, after -Lillian- Gish, the-
   BD: Not really...
   DK: No, not really? 
   DW: It used to be, but he changed his mind
   BC: I never change my mind
   DW: Yes, you change your mind...
   DK: What story do you have for us now, Billy?
   BC: Well, the actual story is- I thought 'Well, I need to make up a name
       for this album,' and I sat down, and the first word that came to my
       mind was 'Gish' and I wrote it down & closed the book & that was it,
       I never- I didn't really think about it that much.

     Song meaning discussion is OK, but keep an open mind about it. Another
   clip from the same interview says this:

   DK: "Rhinoceros" from Smashing Pumpkins. Billy, you told me during that
       video that you -won't- tell me what that's about, so why don't you
       explain to us -why- you don't like explaining your songs.
   BC: Um, my songs are really personal...  and... you, it's like I'd have
       to tell everyone the story that goes behind every song, and I just...
       it's kinda- it seems silly to me that I'd have to say "Well one day
       I was walking down the street, see, and..."  it doesn't- it
       wouldn't make any difference. I- and I don't- I mean, that's one of
       my problems with the video medium, is- is having to attach symbolism
       and specifics to songs because I think in some ways it's the
       ambiguousness of things that makes people find something in their
       own... life.
   DW: I sometimes think that... people get more out of a song  (BC nods)
       if they don't know exactly what it's about- you can, you can listen
       more to the music, and that's mostly what we're about is music &
       emotions come from that.
   BC: Freedom. Freedom. Freedom of thought. I mean, we're not here to preach
       or tell you what to think, you know, if-
   DW: We're here to say 'think for yourself,' you know...


     What most people do NOT want to hear is that a song is about drugs, Kurt
   Cobain, or Courtney Love. Such threads seem to only generate flames, so
   it's best to avoid them. If you think it's about any of these, it's
   probably a good idea not to say so...

     Also, in case you missed the section above, we've already heard that
   "Tristessa" means "sadness" in umpteen Romantic languages, that "Soma" was
   a drug in "Brave New World", as well as many other things, etc. We don't
   need to hear it again.


2.8  Where are all the unreleased songs on Vieuphoria?

     There are 4 songs on Vieuphoria (and its CD-duplicate Earphoria) that are
   unavailable elsewhere. Some people seem to be confused about which song is
   which, so hopefully this will clarify things:

   "Bugg Superstar" is the techno song that's playing in the background while
   James is talking about his dog (there's no talking on the Earphoria version)

   "Pulseczar" is the grindy-guitar song with the weird visual effects that
   starts off with "I hear you calling from the sky..."

   "Sinfony" is the short (:53) ebow-driven guitar-only "song" that sounds
   rather symphonic, which appears at the beginning of the tape.

   "Why Am I So Tired?" is the really long instrumental at the end while they
   scroll the credits.

   The long, awesome, killer jam at the end of Silverfuck is NOT a different
   song, it's just the long, awesome, killer jam at the end of Silverfuck. :)


2.9  remastered Gish

     Gish (their first album, in case you're -really- new at this ) was
   remastered and rereleased (yeah, yeah, just like "Bleach", but we don't
   need to hear that again). To tell the difference, just look at the side
   label. If it says "Caroline" then it's the old, original. If it says
   "Virgin Records" it's the new, remastered version. Same applies for the
*  back.  The CDs are also different- the Caroline CD is purple w/ the same
   writing as the front, and also includes the spherical picture (in black/
   clear (silver), while the Virgin CD is simply purple w/ the words, no
   picture. 


2.10 1979 remix

     Moby did a remix of 1979, which has appeared on some radio stations. It's
   been released on 12" and CDS.He obviously had to have Billy's permission,
   so don't bring up any copyright questions- I'm sure they were taken care
   of long before the radio stations got to play it...

   The tracklist for the remix single is: Vocal Mix (5:08) / Instrumental Mix
   (5:18) // Moby Mix (6:39) / Cement Mix (4:40)


2.11 different covers for Siamese Dream

     Some copies of Siamese Dream don't have any of the song names listed on
   the back. This was probably due to the title "Silverfuck", and copies that
   did not list this on the back were likely created so that big chain stores
   like K-Mart, etc. could sell copies of SD without having to put some weird
   label on it. These are by no means rare, or worth more. Newer copies of
   such CDs (the ones that come with the clear & white seal sticker thingy on
   the top of the CD) say "SIAMESE DREAM- CLEAN VERSION". The only difference
   is the back cover of the CD- the songs aren't listed. The CD itself is the
   same.

     The inserts are sometimes different, too. On some (older) copies, the
   liner has many pages, with a photograph on each page, with the handwritten
   lyrics on them. Other copies have a 4-page foldout, with all the written-on
   photos crammed onto 2 sides, making it nearly impossible to read. But have
   no fear, the official lyrics were typed up and given out, so they're out
   there. Check web pages if you don't already know all the words... :)



3.                      -= BAND INFO =-

3.1  Where did they get their name?

     There are several answers they have given to this. Most of them appear
   to be jokes, which is what the band name is supposed to be anyway. This is
   from the newsletter, March '93:

   ORIGIN OF NAME: Gene Simmons came to us in a dream and said: "Joe Strummer
                   is a pumpkin, drunken and smashed."

     Since then, they have given other various answers, including the one on
   TV-Japan, as seen on Vieuphoria, where they say "It's a joke."

   D'arcy also had the following comment (from an interview on 11/19/93):

     "The name of the band is a stupid name, a dumb bad joke and a bad idea,
   OK?" she says. "Billy named the band before there even was a band. He was
   like, 'I'm gonna have a band and it's gonna be called this.' 'Smashing' is
   not a verb, it's an adjective. It's not like we like to smash pumpkins or
   anything.  And we are not amused by pumpkin jokes anymore."
   (The WA Post, 11/19/93- article courtesy of Chris Carman)

     I think this is the closest to a serious answer you'll get. The word
   "smashing" is used as an adjective, i.e. how the Brits say "Simply
   smashing..." or something like that... They just wanted a totally crazy
   name, that's all... :)


3.2  When did they first appear?

     Again, from the Pumpkin Press/Newsletter of 3/93:

  FIRST PUBLIC APPEARANCE: Billy and James in a Polish bar called Track, 1988.
  FIRST BROADCAST: WNUR Radio, Evanston, 1988.


3.3  Birthdays

  Billy:  March 17, 1967 (St. Patrick's Day)
  D'arcy: May 1, 1968 (?)
  James:  March 26, 1968
  Jimmy:  June 10, 1967


3.4  Short biographical sketches...

     These are, once again, taken from the Newsletter of 3/93... :)
   (some of these parts may be satirical, humorous, i.e. jokes)


  NAME: William Patrick Corgan
  BAND POSITION: Vocalist and guitarist
  BORN: Chicago, 1967
  OTHER OCCUPATIONS: Poet, philosopher, box maker, brick layer
  MUSICAL INFLUENCES: Salvador Dali, Walt Disney
  FAVORITE SINGLES: The Sweet, "action", Gene Clark "so you say you've lost
                    your baby", Santo & Johnny, "sleepwalk".
  FAVORITE ALBUMS: Beatles, "rubber soul", Black Sabbath, "master of reality"
  FAVORITE BANDS: My Bloody Valentine, Chainsaw Kittens, Skunk, Mercury Rev,
                  Thin Lizzy.
  FAVORITE SONGWRITERS: David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Phil Lynott.
  FAVORITE FILMS/TV SHOWS: Citizen Kane, 8 1/2.  I don't watch television.
  BIGGEST INFLUENCES ON CAREER: Pain, violence, love.
  RESIDENCE: CHicago, IL
  MAKE OF INSTRUMENT: Rigole TTO


  NAME: James Jonas Jaded Iha
  BAND POSITION: Guitarist, chess player, trombonist
  BORN: Chicago, IL 3/26/68
  MUSICAL CAREER: Astro and the Go GO Girls, Snake Train
  OTHER OCCUPATIONS: Student, dog owner, domestic specialist
  MUSICAL INFLUENCES: Syd Barrett, Big Star, Rolling Stones, Gram Parsons,
                      Neil Young, Morricone.
  FAVORITE SINGLES: Courtney Love, "highlights", Rolling Stones, "tumbling
                    dice", Byrds, "chestnut mare", sonic youth, "starpower"
  FAVORITE ALBUMS: Beatles, "white album", Pussy Galore, "sugar sgit sharp",
                   My Bloody Valentine, "isn't anything"
  FAVORITE SONGWRITERS: Kevin Shields/Bilinda Butcher, Gram Parsons, Neil
                        Young, Kurt Cobain, Lennon/McCartney
  FAVORITE FILMS/TV SHOWS: The Thing, Manhattan, Star Trek: TNG, Fawlty
                           Towers.
  BIGGEST INFLUENCE ON CAREER: Snake Train, Smashing Pumpkins
  RESIDENCE: Chicago, IL
  MAKE OF INSTRUMENTS: Gibson, Marshall


  NAME: D'arcy Wretzky-Brown
  BAND POSITION: Bass guitarist
  BORN: Michigan 1/5/68
  EDUCATED: Got no edukasion
  MUSICAL CAREER: Classical violin and oboe player
  FAVORITE SINGLES: Flaming Lips, "everyone wants to live forever"
  FAVORITE ALBUMS: Beatles, "white album", Jesus and Mary Chain, "Psycho
                   Candy", nirvana "bleach"
  FAVORITE BANDS: Beatles, Pussy Galore, Nirvana, Stooges, Queen, Rolling
                  Stones
  FAVORITE SONGWRITERS: Billy Corgan, Syd Barrett, Lennon/McCartney, Kurt
                        Cobain
  FAVORITE FILMS/TV SHOWS: Star Trek, any bad b-movies up to the 70s.
  BIGGEST INFLUENCE ON CAREER: people i hate
  RESIDENCE: Chicago, IL
  MAKE OF INSTRUMENT: Fender P Bass


  NAME: Jimmy Chamberlain
  BAND POSITION: Drummer'
  BORN: Chicago, 6/10/67
  EDUCATED: Joliet Catholic High School
  MUSICAL CAREER: JP and the Cats, Eddie Karosa's Polka Party
  OTHER OCCUPATIONS: carpenter
  MUSICAL INFLUENCES: any big band jazz
  FAVORITE ALBUMS: Benny Goodman, "sextet", Buddy Rich, "big band machine",
                   jazz crusaders, "tough talk", beastie boys, "check your
                   head"
  FAVORITE BANDS: Pantera, helmet, squeeze, crowded house, pixies, red hot
                  chili peppers
  FAVORITE SONG WRITERS: difford & tilbrook, tim finn
  FAVORITE FILMS/TV SHOWS: Sanford and Son, Good Times, The Honeymooners
  RESIDENCE: Chicago, IL
  MAKE OF INSTRUMENTS: Yamaha drums, zildjian, vic firth sticks


3.5  How do you pronounce James' last name?

  Ee-hah, not Eye-ha. Long E sound, a as in father.


3.6  Is it true that Billy did all the work recording on SD?

     Yes. He did most of the guitar tracks, even bass. The reason for this
   is said to be efficiency. He could record things in a few takes, whereas
   other members may have required 10 to record the same thing. Since studio
   time is expensive, they opted to do it in a short time.  Here's a quote
   from BC about the same:

   "I was obsessed to meet a standard that was beyond our capability. I was
    more concerned about technical efficiency than heart."

   The MC&IS sessions were reportedly "a joy, compared to the tense Siamese
   Dream recording," and all four members worked collectively.


3.7  Why do people think they suck live?

     This is an old debate brought up by people who have only heard BC's more
   hyper/screamy concerts. The point people try (and fail) to make is that BC
   sucks live, because he screams, and "it sounds like shit." Well, some peo-
   ple like how Billy sounds when he screams, it gives it a twist. We can't
   expect him to whisper and be heard as he does in the studio. There
   have been plenty of shows, even non-acoustic ones, in which his voice is
   the same "nice, clean, mellow" voice we all know from the albums. It's
   performances like the Disarm at MTV Music Awards that upset some people,
   because they can't handle anything that's different than what they expect.
   If it sounded exactly the same as the CD, what would be the point of going
   to see them, other than the fact that it's likely to be louder?

     Another comment from the D'arcy interview:

     "Before we record songs, we always like to play all the songs a lot live,
   to see how they work," D'Arcy says. "When we recorded 'Siamese Dream,' we
   used a Mellotron, string instruments, multiple, multiple guitar parts...
   But we always know we can go back and play it live with whatever we have
   and it's still a good, solid song."   (The WA Post, 11/19/93)


3.8  What kind of equipment do they use?

     "Electro Harmonix Bigg Muffs, Maestro Phasers and a lot of rack gear!"

*    A lot. :> Seriously- they have thousands of dollars worth of equipment,
   and I couldn't possibly list it all here. Check web page articles, namely
   those from Guitar World, etc., which would discuss those things.


3.8a How does Billy do that cool voice effect in the middle of Silverfuck?

     Referring to the slow attack on the "Bang, bang, you're dead" section,
   it's a trick with echo effects. The track is recorded, then flipped back-
   wards, then echo is added while it's backwards. Then it's flipped back to
   forwards, and it appears to echo -into- the words... (There's also echo
   added normally, i.e. forward/after)
   This trick is also used in the beginning of Starla, and in a lot of songs

   by the Cure...


3.8b What's an e-bow?

     An e-bow (electric/electronic/electromagnetic/... bow) is a small,
   hand-held device that causes the guitar strings to vibrate continuously,
   creating much longer sustains, comparable to the bow of a violin, etc.


3.9  I'm crazy about D'arcy!! Is she with anyone? What about the rest of 'em?

     D'arcy is married to Kerry Brown, who is the drummer of Catherine, and
   has also done production work with SP. Kerry has also been one of the
   members of the hobby/ project band StarChildren for SC's first release,
   but the actual band doesn't really have any set members (except BC).

     Before SP formed, she was "romantically involved" with James, but this is
   now pretty much ancient history...

     Billy is married to Chris Fabian, and James and Jimmy both have a girl-
   friend, so we hear... Nothing else is known, nor do we really -need- to
   know anything more...

     Rumors spread very quickly online. Please don't. Their personal lives
   are just that - personal Just because they're famous doesn't mean every
   minute detail of their lives is ours to see and pick apart.... Since one
   of Billy's friends, Courtney Love, gets such hot reactions from people, it's
   best not to mention her at all, lest someone start another CL flamewar...


3.10 What's up with them & the Sun Times?

     A Chicago Sun Times reviewer, Jim DeRogotis (sp?), gave SP a few bad
   reviews, saying of Hummer, for example, "the lyrics are sophomoric, and
   the song is stupid." Billy has made a few comments in concerts (one of
   which can be heard on the Drown boot), and even faxed in a poem to Ben
   Kim, the writer of another bad review in another local Chicago magazine 
   (NewCity). (thanks to pissant (hoagland@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) for giving me
   this one):

	i'm glad that i'm such a good rhymer,
	better than being a social climber,
	just because i'm a bit brighter, 	
	than some fucking writer.


3.11 Is there a "the" in the band name, or not?

     There is a "the" written before "Smashing Pumpkins" on the new album and
   single, as well as on the Rocket Single. "The" is also written on the
   inside liner notes in Gish and SD.I assume that's a good indication of what
   they are to be called. :) But does it really matter that much? :P"


3.12 Was Billy on the show "Small Wonder"??

*    There was an odd TV show in the 80s about a robot girl, called "Small
   Wonder". Some people seem to think that the boy in the show, Jamie, looked
   quite a lot like young Billy. While the resemblance may be close, it wasn't
   him. The ages don't match, and if BC had been a TV actor as a child, we
   would have surely heard mention of this in some public media form by now
   (i.e. in a magazine interview or something)...


3.13 Scratchie Records

*    SP members have started a new record label, called Scratchie Records.
   The August '95 Illinois Entertainer said this (thanks turnip@shout.net):

        "New local label Scratchie Records, owned by Pumpkin's D'arcy
     Wretsky-Brown and James Iha, Catherine's Kerry Brown and others, had
     planned a boffo record release party last month with label signees
     Chainsaw Kittens.  Unfortunately, Kitten's lead guitarist Trent Bell
     fractured his wrist during a softball game back home in Norman, OK
     just a few days before the party was to happen.  So Scratchie is
     putting the gig on hold and hopes to send off their label in rockin'
     style sometime early in September"

   For more info, see http://www.muohio.edu/~carmance/scratchie.html



4.                -= AVAILABILITY OF MERCHANDISE =-

4.1  How much is [rarity x] worth?

     The best place to look for that kind of information is on Roger Janssen's
   discography release. It lists all promos, vinyls, demos, etc. and estimated
   values when known. (It is also noted in the discography that the estimates
   are often very rough, and could perhaps be better stated as "Don't be sur-
*  prised if the price tag says this:") Bootleg CDs generally go for $20-30.
   See 6.3 for links.


4.2  Where can I get [rarity x]?

     If it's really rare, like the peach vinyl Rocket 7", or the Daughter
   flexi-disc, it's going to be very hard, but it's possible. Usually if you
   ask if anyone wants to sell it, or wait until someone posts an ad that
   they're selling it, it's the easiest way to go, but this may not always
   work, and if it's an auction, you may end up paying an outlandish amount
   for it (someone paid $250 for the peach Rocket 7" a while back- no joke!).

     On the other hand, some not-so-rare rarities, i.e. the red Today 7", are
   often found at the same music stores that deal in bootlegs, etc. Which
   bring us to the next question:


4.3  Where can I get bootlegs?

     That question is a little harder to answer, since it depends where you
   live. You can always order from someplace else, and there are even a few
   companies online that you can telnet to and order from (cdnow.com and
   cdconnection.com, to name 2...). Other than that, it depends on where you
   live whether you can find a place that deals in bootlegs or not. A few
   people on the newsgroup/mailing list take orders from local places and send
   them to people (prepaid, usually) and are usually reputable (you still may
   want to ask others first...) There once was a list of bootleg dealers, but
   on my copy, the maintainer said he was quitting, and I don't know if anyone
   else has taken over its maintenance...


4.4  SP books

     Here's 2 entries, info thanks to Allison (AllisonBai@aol.com)

   title: Smashing Pumpkins
   author: Nick Wise
   publisher: Omnibus Press/Book Sales Ltd.
   ISBN: 0-7119-4166-1
   notes: 48 pages long, full color photographs on every page
   dimensions: 11.5" x 9" (28.5 cm. x 22.8 cm.)
   published in the UK
   price: $11.95 (US suggested)


   title: Smashing Pumpkins
   author: Jim Stapleton
   publisher: Carlton Books/Music Book Services
   ISBN: 1-85868-068-9
   notes: 120 pages long, lots of color photographs, very nice artwork, 
   dimensions: 8.75" x 5" (14 cm x 12.5 cm) - the same size as a cd jewel box 
   published in Italy (but written in English, look for it in the cd single/
    import bin)
   price: none listed, expect to pay $7-10 US

   In the 2nd EZine, she mentions another book as well, but no author is given.
   It seems to be basically a poster book...

   Here are two more entries, thanks to Tariq Hussain:

   title: Smashing Pumpkins
   author: none
   publisher: music book services
   ISBN: 1-88689-405-1
   price: approximately $7.50 US

   title: Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
   author: Aaron Stang
   publisher: CPP Belwin inc
   ISBN: 0-89898-825-X
   price: approximately $20.00 US
   notes: guitar tab, lyrics, music, etc. for Siamese Dream, with comments
          and explanations from BC on each song.

*  A tab book for MCIS is supposed to come out soon...


4.5  What is there?

     There's a lot. Check my Bootlist-By-Song. On my web site, it links to
   each bootlist and discography entry - you can quickly and easily see that
   there is quite a lot out there, but unless you have a few thousand extra
   dollars to spend, don't count on it... :)  (See 6.4 for links)


4.6  videos/videotapes

     There's "23 Minutes", which has the 1st 5 videos on it (Siva, Rhinoceros,
   Cherub Rock, Today, and Disarm) and supposedly came as a package deal with
   some copies of Siamese Dream, but I've never seen one and don't know of its
   availability. If anyone has any info on this (or anything else I don't know
   about in here), please let me know.

     There's also Vieuphoria, which shows a lot of live clips, and has some
   really awesome live versions of really awesome songs... it's a must-see. It
   also contains 4 unreleased songs: Bugg Superstar, Pulseczar, Sinfony, and
   Why Am I So Tired?. This should be available at most any music store.

*     The No Alternative video is also widely available from stores, and
   includes SP's live performances of Glynis and Today from the No Alternative
   MTV special.

     Another video I've seen has the same cover as the Peel Sessions CD, and
   had a little sticker on it (from the store) saying that it had no overlap
   with the material on Vieuphoria. The title of this is Video Collection.
   It has the videos through "Today", as well as 2 MTV interviews from 120
   minutes, and lots of other stuff...

     There are now MTV videos for Siva, Rhinoceros, Cherub Rock, Today,
   Disarm, Rocket, Bullet with Butterfly Wings, and 1979. The latter 2 are
   obviously the most likely to be played on MTV, though. The next video &
   single will be Zero.


4.7  T-shirts

     Here's a few as described by Allison (AllisonBai@aol.com):

   1. Devil shirt (discnt'd)
      from Gish tour, black with devil in red and purple with gold glitter,
      "Mission To Mars" on back

   2. Angel shirt (discnt'd)
      from Gish tour, whitish grey with angel in blue and ? with silver
      glitter, "Altitude Not Attitude" on back

   3. SP Heart Shirt
      white with SP heart logo in red and black, lots of stuff on the back:
      (Thanks to Mike (jmp18@cornell.edu) for writing this out...)

      this is a smashing pumpkins t-shirt. rather than ask me why i'm wearing
      this ask yourself why am i reading this? the message is there is no
      message. one million souls tossing down their hard earned lettuce for a
      piece of the hot rock indie alternative pie. i've sold out. how about
      you? everybody's doing it even if they say they're not. don't ask me
      cause i don't know. rock saves. it's the next big thing. have you heard
      the next big thing? i'm part of the revolution. it's all coming down
      soon. hope you're there.
     b.
      There's also an SP Heart shirt that has a big city (Vegas?) on the back,
      only all the big neon signs are the names of the songs from SD.

   4. Disarm/Smile shirt
      cover of the Disarm cd single (the Smile one, not the heart), with
      entire '93-'94 tour dates on the back in red and black.

   5. Siamese Dream shirt (discnt'd)
      Siamese Dream promo poster (the 2 girls, one with an ice cream) on the
      front of a white shirt
     b.
      tour dates for the first few days of the Midwest tour on the back
     c.
      tour dates for the fall tour on the back

   6. SP Star shirt
      black with a red star and Smashing Pumpkins written in white.
      "Just Say Maybe" written on the back in white.

   7. Clown Shirt
      red with Smashing Pumpkins in a blue oval with a green clown
     b.
      black with a different clown and Smashing Pumpkins on the front.
      all released song titles written on the back in green and yellow; some
      were left off though! (I don't remember which ones, I think Luna was
      one of them)

   8. Spaceboy shirt (discnt'd)
      Purple, with an orange cartoon-like astronaut character, back has some
      of the lyrics from Starla

*  9. MC&IS shirt
      navy blue, words as they appear on the album cover, back has tour dates

* 10. Black heart shirt
      black, with the SP heart in silver & white outline, text on the back

* 11. ZERO shirt :>
      long-sleeve, black w/ silver "ZERO" on front and a little SP heart on
      the left sleeve

* 12. "Leave Me Alone" shirt. [???] (mentioned by Laura Ann of the fan club-
      if anyone knows what these look like, please tell me).


          =unofficial shirts (not made or marketed by the band)=

   1. Tristessa shirt
      cover of the Tristessa 7" on the front of a black shirt

   2. Superman shirt
      black shirt with white Superman S logo and Smashing Pumpkins (in orange)

   3. band photo shirt (a.)
      black shirt with a b&w picture of the band on a couch and Smashing
      Pumpkins written in orange

   4. band photo shirt (b.)
      band picture in b&w on a black shirt; the picture is from the Nov. Spin
      article

   According to the recent SP fan club newsletter, the following shirts will
   be discontinued: the Angel, Devil, SD girls, and Spaceboy shirts.


4.8  Can somebody get [x] for me?

     Maybe. If you're looking for an impossible item (i.e. the stolen DATs
   or the Daugher flexi-disc) then don't bother... At times, though, people
   have offered to pick up rarities for people who couldn't get them locally.
   If you engage in this type of "business" it's at your own risk. You may
   want to ask others on the group if the person you're about to do business
   with has a good rep. There -are- people who will rip you off.

     Disregard anything with the name "Chris Bevard" associated with it. The
   guy took money from about 50 people last spring and to this date, only Karl
   Daher (maintainer of the mailing list) got his tapes. Everyone else just
   lost their money.

     Anyway, if you want to get something, and you absolutely cannot do so
   locally, you may try to see if someone can get one, and make arrangements
   that way (once you figure out who you're exchanging with, it's best to take
   this to email, of course...). For this type of request, it's probably a
   good idea to use the subject header "ISO" (In Search Of) or just "Wanted:"
   If you can find something locally, do so. You will probably save at least a
   few [insert local currency here] on shipping, and a bit of hassle.

     On the other side of things, people have posted ads offering to pick up
   items for people. For these offers, you could use a "FS:" header, or some-
   thing similar, I guess... 


4.9  Who are the Frogs from Vieuphoria?

     The Frogs are a band whose ability to annoy people apparently impresses
   Billy quite a lot... :) Seriously, though... It seems that they are a "joke
   band." They have an album out titled "It's only Right and Natural..." with
   songs titled: I've Got Drugs; I Don't Care if You Disrespect Me, Just so You
   Love Me; Hot Cock Annie; These are the Finest (Queen) Boys I've Ever Seen;
   Rosie Jack World; Someone's Pinning Me to the Ground; Baby Greaser George;
   Thank God I Died in the Car Crash; Gather 'Round for Saviour #2; Richard
   Dick Richard; Men- Come On, Men; Dykes We Are; Been a Month Since I Had a
   Man; Homos. (Note that some of this punctuation may be off, I got this over
   the phone). Part of Homos is featured on Vieuphoria. The CD is on Homestead
   Records, No. 169. It may be somewhat difficult to locate, so if you want it,
   you may have to order it... :>

     The Frogs have also toured with SP, and played second stage at Lolla '94,
   with BC even coming out to sing with them for some songs.

     The Frogs have also done a serious cover of Pearl Jam's "rearviewmirror"
   which appears on the b-side of PJ's "Immortality" single.


4.10 Trading boots

*    Sure can. Only problem is finding people to trade with. Posting your list
   to the newsgroup or mailing list (esp. the list) is generally considered bad.
   There are 2 main trading services available. One is PumpkinNet, which is a
   web-run system. Just check it out-

   http://www.wfire.net/~nightwol/pumpkinnet.html

     The other thing is a pseudo-mailing list run by Kevin Elliott
   (aappaa@mixcom.com). Here's the info:

   -=-=-
   From:	aappaa@mixcom.com (Kevin Elliott)
   Reply-to:	kevin@mixcom.com
   
   I am putting together a mailing list that i will try to send out 
   every weekend.  It will consist of people's boot lists and their 
   mailing addresses.  I am hoping this will help out Wristy and Karl 
   and keep the trading stuff on their lists to a minimum.  So, to get 
   on the list, here is what you have to do.
   
   send me an e-mail with this info in it.
   
   1.  List All of your boots you are interested in trading or selling.  (for 
   selling, please selling only.  i will not run auctions for anyone)
   
   2. list any boots that you are particularly looking for (not every 
   one you want, just the ones you will die without)
   
   3. tell me what e-mail address you want listed by your bootlist.
   
   4.  Put down any trading requirements that you use.  Such as specific 
   tapes, padded envelope stuff, how you send the tapes, etc...
   
   I will be putting out the first edition of the list Next weekend.  
   (The only thing you have to do is notify me when you get more boots 
   or sell some boots so i can modify the list)  
   
   I hope this list helps wristy and karl and i also hopes it helps 
   traders get what they want faster.  
   
   peace, love, empathy, pain
   -Kev
   
   -=-=-


5.                             -= NEWS =-

5.1  Double Door concerts

     If you didn't hear, the Pumpkins put on 4 shows in late Feb. 1995,
   at a small club called the Double Door. Tickets sold for an amazing $5, but
   it was a 21-and-over show. They played all new songs, some of which didn't
   appear on MC&IS, and a few encores. The few lucky ones that got to go (500
   at each show) all loved it, I'm sure. :)


5.1a recordings of DD

     Someone did manage to sneak in and get a recording of 2 shows. From
   what I've heard, the quality is very poor. Security at the shows was very
   tight, and for a good reason. They don't want their new material out before
   it's released. Unfortunately, this has also gone beyond the tapes from the
   Double Door concerts. (See 5.3)


5.2  new/upcoming songs

     I hope you have MC&IS by now... :> If not, go out and get it!! :)
   Anyway. There are a few song titles that we have that have not yet
   appeared, so we may expect to find these as upcoming B-sides.

*  Blank                                 Country Girl
   From the Mouths of Babes              GOD
   Jupiter's Lament                      Marquis in Spades
   Medellia of the Grey Skies            Meladori Magpie
   Pistachio Medley                      Pennies
   Rotten Apples                         Speed
   Towers of Rabble                      Tribute to Johnny

   The new single, 1979, has 3 unreleased B-sides: Ugly, Believe, and Cherry.
   The import version also has two additional tracks: The Boy, and Set the
   Ray to Jerry (which was on the tentative setlist for SD!).

*  Tracklists for Zero and Tonight Tonight have been released, although we
   aren't positive they're accurate yet. Oh well. Here they are anyway:

   Zero: Zero / God / From the Mouths of Babes / Tribute to Johnny / Marquis
   in Spades / Pennies / Pistachio Medley

   Tonight, Tonight: Tonight, Tonight / Meladori Magpie / Rotten Apples /
   Jupiter's Lament / Medellia of the Grey Skies / Blank / Tonite Reprise


5.3  Didn't their new stuff get stolen?

     Yes. 10 demo CDs were stolen. Originally, we were told that these were
   studio-quality demos of new material, and that many surfaced at local
   record stores. After that, though, an article appeared in SPIN, saying
   that despite the original information, these were actually only "worthless
   practice demos containing scratchy bass lines and D'Arcy telling jokes."
   Some sources still say that the demos were actually new songs, and were
   worth something, but we may never know what happened.


5.4  keyboardist

     Last summer, the Chicago Reader ran an ad by the Pumpkins, saying that
   they needed a keyboardist for their live tours. 5-minute tape auditions
   were to be turned in by 7/14/95.

     Then, an article from the 8/18 Entertainment Weekly gave a slightly
   different outlook than anticipated...

        "...aspiring Pumpkins needn't wait by the phone.  Two months 
     later, a refrigerator box full of cassettes graces Chicago's Soundworks 
     studios, and there's not a listening station in sight.  'We've been too 
     busy to deal with them,' says Iha.  'I don't want to listen to a bunch of 
     wack keyboard players.  It sounds like a nightmare to me.'"

     (thanks to Scott Carpenter (scarpent@gas.uug.arizone.edu) for giving me
   this info, disappointing though it was...)

   SP have their keyboardist now. Someone was at a music store, and the owner
   mentioned that James was in a while before "with their new keyboardist,"
   so...   Oh well. His name is Jonathan Melbourne, and appeared
   on the American Music Awards, and is touring with them now, although he may
   be slightly hidden to the back...


5.5  Old News

   SP played a few shows around and in Chicago. The Chicago show, which
   was on October 23rd at the Riviera, was broadcast on the radio worldwide.

   An MTV Rockumentary aired several times on 10/17, and was supposed to
   be replayed on November 14th, but I didn't see it .

   There were two radio interviews in October, one on Q101 (10/8/95) and one
   on 103.5.

   SP played Saturday Night Live on November 11th.

   The FAQ has grown too big for the mailing list, so it will be posted as
   one file on the newsgroup, and as a 2-part split file on the list.

   SP is featured in issue 4 of Launch magazine, which comes with a CD-ROM.
   SP stuff includes an interview and the BwBW performance from the 10/23
   Riviera concert (both complete a/v).
   Check http://www.2LAUNCH.com/update.html for more info.

   The 1989 single is out now, including 3 unreleased tracks entitled
   "Ugly", "Believe" and "Cherry". The import version also contains two
   additional b-sides, "The Boy" and "Set the Ray to Jerry" (finally!).

   SP played at the American Music Awards at the end of January.


5.6  New News

   The next single and video will be Zero, according to BC himself. A Tonight,
   Tonight single will follow. See 5.3 for tracklists.

   From an ad in the Chicago Sun Times- A ROCKING 'SIMPSONS':

    Look for a Homerpalooza episode of "The Simpsons" to air in May. Homer
    takes Bart and Lisa to a music festival to support his statement, "Why
    do you need new bands? Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974."
    Chicago's own Smashing Pumpkins, Peter Frampton, Sonic Youth and Cypress
    Hill all make voice and musical appearances. The Pumpkins perform the song
    "Zero", Cypress Hill sings "Insane in the Brain" and "Throw Your Set in the
    Air," and Frampton comes alive with his classic "Do You Feel Like I Do?"
    Sonic Youth will supply a distorted rendering of the show's closing theme.

   The episode will air on May 12th.

*  Tour dates in Syndey have been postponed due to the death of Jimmy's
   father. The shows have been resheduled as follows:

   thursday march 14 ----- sunday 19th May
   friday march 15   ----- monday 29th May
   saturday march 16 ----- tuesday 21st may

   They will all be at the Hordern Pavillion, and the original tickets will
   still be valid, even though the dates have been changed.

   From the JJJ interview in Oz, two BC quotes (thanks to Kim Wisniewski
   (wisniew@cleo.murdoch.edu.au)):

   Billy also said that this will be the last big tour for some time.
   Basically he said he's pissed off with the Smashing Pumpkins concert
   being a "soundtrack to a teenage mosh-pit wet dream".  (something
   like that...) and they don't want to "play slave to the soundtrack that
   people jump up and down to." (Billy's actual words).

   Another quote from Billy: "It's just come to the point where rock
   music has ceased to be what rock music is meant to be."


5.7  What's with all this Cabal (...) / Junta (...) stuff?

     This is a bit complicated, and more time will be taken and devoted to this
   subject, as it seems many are interested in it, and it appears to be a topic
   of variably growing and decreasing popularity, esp. on the list lately.

     The basics are these: the definition of a cabal (kuh-BALL) is a "secret
   group of plotters, as against a government or authority." In the "see also"
   is listed several other words, including "conspiracy" and "junta" (HOON-ta/
   HUN-ta/ JUN-ta). The word "junta" is listed as being a temporary group of
   secret leaders, as in after a coup-de-tats (forgive the spelling, I'm in the
   lab right now). Anyway.

      There are references to two groups. The Cabal (there is no Cabal), and
   the Junta (There is a Junta- I know - they suck). The parenthetical phrases
   are part of the references. The Cabal (there is no Cabal) is always referred
   to in exactly that manner. Due to the secretive nature (by definition) of a
   cabal, the Cabal (there is no Cabal) must always have the "there is no
   Cabal" added in parentheses after the word, so that it is unknown whether
   or not it actually exists or not. It is indeed impossible to know if the
   Cabal (there is no Cabal) exists, since any possible members (there are no
   members) would (could?) never publicly admit their membership.

     This is not the case with the Junta (there is a Junta. I know. They're
   dumb). The parenthetical remarks at the end may change in context. The whole
   "they're dumb" thing apparently started in jest. Anywhey. Since it is known
   that there, in fact, IS a Junta (there is a Junta...), it is not necessary
   for them to keep themselves hidden. While still secretive of their
   individual members, the Junta is able to post as a collective to the mailing
   list, which it has done several times now. The first message to the list was
   as follows (digest #888):

   -=-=-
   Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 22:18:03 0000
   From: "There is a Junta..." 
   To: smashing-pumpkins
   Subject: There IS a Junta [maniacal laughter]
   Message-ID: <9511100413.AA02409@musicwest.com>

   Yes, there IS a Junta. We are very powerful.

   BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE JUNTA!
   -=-=-
  
   Since then, there have been several more posts by list members claiming to
   be in the Junta, and a couple more anonymous messages from various sources.
   More info, including said messages, is now available on my web page for
   further info/amusement. :>

   The Junta made a post in December '95, claiming that they had assumed
   responsibility for the removal of list members who couldn't unsubscribe
   themselves. Sounds pretty cool to me... :) But now, there has been a recent
   surge of fake Junta posts on the mailing list. Not very amusing. Just
   leave the whole thing alone. It's lost its original humor content by having
   these idiotic fake posts...
  

5.8  Tour info

     Settle down, Beavis!! Sheesh. This is probably the most frequently asked
   question lately, since touring has somewhat started, and dates have been
   popping up everywhere. PLEASE do not ask if they're going to play in your
   city. They're running down the east coast, then going to other countries,
   and won't be back in the US until later (~summer) for their "enormo-dome"
   tour. An up-to-date list can be found on Josh Sherman's homepage. Contact
   him for additions/corrections, etc, but don't ask him to personally update
   you. Just keep checking his web page. As soon as anyone finds something out,
   it'll be up there on his page.

   The URL is:    http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsherman/tour.html




6.                          -= MISC / NET STUFF =-

6.1  SD font

     The Mac and IBM fonts (toulose-lautrec / lansbury.ttf) can both
   be found at Chris Carman's web page:

   http://www.muohio.edu/~carmance/sp/software/spfontmac.hqx
   http://www.muohio.edu/~carmance/sp/software/spfontpc.uue


6.1a MCIS font

     The IBM .ttf and Mac fonts are available from Coke 95's web page:

   http://cam021313.student.utwente.nl/zut/nitemare.ttf
   http://cam021313.student.utwente.nl/zut/nitemare.hqx

   Both versions can also be found on Chris Carman's web page.


6.1b Font installation

     Read the font faq. :) Seriously, here's how to install it on a PC. I'm
   not sure about Mac, though... (thanks again to Allison for the run-thru)

     To install on a PC:  download the Lansbury.ttf file to your Windows/
   system directory on your hard drive and decode it if necessary (requires
   a UUDecode program).  next, go to the Fonts program in Control Panel.  hit
   the Add button on the right side of the box.  then change the directory in
   the bottom to Windows/system, and scroll down through the list of fonts
   until you find Lansbury.  Select it and hit OK.  it will now be installed
   on your computer.  Don't worry about getting a .fot file, it will be
   created when you install the font.

     Note: To use this under WordPerfect, you must install it under WordPefect
   using the wpfi.exe file or calling it from the main program. It should work
   fine after that.

     Mac instructions are as follows (thanks to Josh Sherman for run-thru)

   -=-=-
     Okay here's some truly anal instructions for getting the font known as 
   ToulouseLautrec to work on you Mac.

     I got my copy off of Chris Carman's Smashing Pumpkins Homepage, and 
   suspect that his copy is compressed/encoded in pretty much the same way 
   that every copy is.

     To decompress the font you need two programs.  First use BinHex, then 
   Compact Pro.  Once you've decompressed the document, you'll have a folder 
   titled ToulouseLautrec with four items in it. 
   
     What you do from here is dependent on what system version you are 
   using.  If you're using System 7 (and who isn't these days) it's as 
   simple as putting the individual files in your Font file.  The Font file 
   can be found in your System Folder on the Hard Disk.  Once this is done, 
   you're set.
   
     With System 6 or earlier it's a little bit more complicated.  To 
   install a Font you will need to use the Font DA Mover.  It should be 
   located in your System Folder.  Open the Mover, and you'll find two 
   scroll boxes.  It's been awhile since I've used System 6, but basically 
   all you need to do is find the Font, and transfer it over to the usable 
   fonts.  There should be a "Move" or "Transfer" button that you click to 
   activate the font.  
   
     With either System it shouldn't be difficult.  I figured out both 
   Systems by simply playing around for a few minutes.  In both cases it 
   took me less than ten minutes, and I never had to pull out a manual or 
   ask for help.  These instructions should get anybody going in at least 
   the right direction.  Play for a few minutes, and if you're still having 
   problems you can e-mail me at jsherman@u.washington.edu.  Good luck.
   -=-=-


6.2  GeekUSA Screen Raver

     PC-  Sandoz' ftp site: ftp.paranoia.com/pub/sandoz
     Mac- Info-mac archive: ftp.amug.org/info-mac/art/grf/geek-usa.hqx

*    Note: this is a screen RAVER, not a saver. I have never seen it, so I
   don't know how to turn it off, although I assume it lasts a given amount
   of time. The raver may not appear at these sites anymore, either...


6.3  bootlist/discography

     The best bet is to get them from the mailing list or newsgroup when they
   are posted. They also appear on my web page, and possibly others.


6.4  web pages/ftp sites

     Here's a list of all the pages I know of and what they have on them.
   (I spend a LOT of time looking up and checking links. If you plan on
   starting a new page, shutting down or moving an existing page, or making
   major changes, PLEASE let me know. It'd be nice to keep this section as
   current and accurate as possible, but I don't want to spend several hours
   per month checking links on the web...)

   http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2045/sp.htm - Amazing Tomatoes
   (sound clips, demo lyrics, etc.)

   http://hubcap.clemson.edu:80/~bpmccal/sp_1.html - AnsiGod's page
   (tab, samples, etc.)

   http://www.tower-hill.pvt.k12.de.us/~bmartin/sp.html - Bill Martin's SP Page
   (lyrics, links, videography, sound, etc.)

   http://members.aol.com/riffhead/sp.html - Bill Oates' SP Page
   (lyrics, tab book)

   http://faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU/~wrr6j/smash.html - The Bross SP Page
   (fonts, A/V clips, etc.)

   http://users.aol.com/superbugg8/sp.html - Bugg's SP Page
   (samples (inc. 1979 remix), lyrics, tabs, links, etc.)

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com:80/homepages/Lige - The Burlap Pumpkin Page
   (links, song list, news, etc.)

   http://www.muohio.edu/~carmance/sp.html - Chris Carman's site
   (interviews, -TONS- of pix & other cool stuff)

   http://cam021313.student.utwente.nl/pumpkins.html - Coke 95 SP page
   (Has -lots- of samples & the MC&IS fonts)

   http://199.77.167.35/Pumpkins/ - Cool as Ice Cream
   (Steve's page: links, articles, pix, etc.)

   http://www.shore.net/~pmack/ - Dave's Tour History Page
   (tour history/info, links, etc.)

   http://www.xmission.com/~dbonds2/sp/siamese.html - David Bond's SD Link page
   (Siamese Dream CD Link)

   http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dcho/music.html - David Cho's page
   (video clips, inc. entire Rockumentary! QT format)

   http://www.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de/homepages/olaf.berg/musik.html - Die
   Musik Seite (A German page- video/sound clips, pix, lyrics)

   http://www.engr.wisc.edu/~agnew/sp.html - Eric Agnew's SP page
   (FAQ, BLBS, song index, bootlist, discog, pix, lyrics, links, etc.)

   http://pages.prodigy.com/S/M/P/smashingp/sp.htm - Eric's Smashing Page
   (tab, sounds, links, lyrics)

   http://www.columbia.edu/~vhm/sp/ - The Final Sadness
   (links, lyrics, tab, mirror of Sandoz ftp site, etc.)

   http://wane-arc.scri.fsu.edu:80/~jordan/sp/ - Frail & Bedazzled - Matt
   Jordan's page (lyrics, links, pix, etc.)

   http://users.aol.com/geoff8581/pumpkins.html - Geoff's SP Stuff
   (lyrics, quotes, pix, clips, links, etc.)

   http://pages.prodigy.com/E/R/H/erich/ - GoodBands Music Page
   (links)

   http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~jjb365/pumpkins/ - Hambone Space Boogey
   (interviews, reviews, links)

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/omega/hambone.htm - The James
   Iha Page (info on James' songs, tab, lyrix, etc.)

   http://radon.gas.uug.arizona.edu/~jec/fame.html - J's Wall O' Fame
   (links, samples, tab, etc.)

   http://www.his.com/~jjj/sp/sp.html - Josh's Favorite Band page
   (links)

   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsherman/tour.html - Josh Sherman's SP Tour
   dates page (upcoming/past tour dates, etc.)

   http://www.intellinet.com/~forrest/smash/ - Josh Vinson's page
   (nice looking title page <shrug> a couple links)
   [new] - 

   http://www.easyinternet.ca/~macaulay/ - Joyboy's SP abode
   (news, pix, fonts, links)

   http://www.ultranet.com/~dmarcio/jupiter&chloe/ - Jupiter & Chloe
   (pix, links, etc.)

   http://www.luhsd.k12.ca.us/~kb663397/ - Kevin Brian & Kristian's Web Page
   (lyrics, sounds, pix, etc.)

   http://users.aol.com/lbarr75655/pumpkins.htm - Lincoln's SP Page
   (lyrics, software, pix, news, etc.)

   http://www.rnl.ist.utl.pt/~lfvjt/ - Luis' SP Page
   (lyrics, pix, links)

   http://pages.prodigy.com/smash/spump.htm - M-Tool's SP page
   (lyrics, links)
   <IMG SRC=
   Here's a list of mirrors, sorted by country/site:

   ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - AOL

   http://www.guitar.net/olga/s/smashing-pumpkins - www.guitar.net
   (down until further notice)

   ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/s/smashing-pumpkins -
      ftp.leo.org

   http://harmony-central.mit.edu/~ftp/mirrors/olga/guitar/s/smashing_pumpkins/
       - mit.edu

   ftp://ftp.uu.net/doc/music/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - ftp.uu.net

   ftp://ftp.cosy.sbg.ac.at/pub/mirror/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - sbg.ac.at

   ftp://ftp.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pub/mirror/guitar/s/smashing_pumpkins - UWA, AU

   ftp://ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/pub/rec/music/guitar/songs/olga/
      s/smashing-pumpkins - Munich, DE

   ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/doc/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - Paderdorn, DE

   ftp://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/misc/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - Stuttgart, DE

   ftp://ftp.diku.dk/pub/music/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - ftp.diku.dk

   http://gaston.unice.fr/~paubert/musique/src/src.html - gaston.unice.fr

   ftp://ftp.forthnet.gr/pub/guitar/s/smashing-pumpkins - forthnet.gr

   http://www.vol.it/MIRROR4/EN/olga/s/smashing-pumpkins - www.vol.it

   ftp://ftp.ci.ua.pt/pub/music/guitar/other/ - ci.ua.pt



7.                          -= CONCLUSION =-

7.1  Acknowledgments

     First off, I have to thank Allison (AllisonBai@aol.com) for a lot of
   info I used here. Thanks to Josh (jsherman@u.washington.edu) for the idea
   of the Tan and Disc headers, for much other info, for plugging the FAQ &
   my homepage , and for taking care of the MCIS tour info page. Ack's
   go to Roger Janssen (rpajanss@dds.nl) for doing the discography, and Karl
   Daher (Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca) for the bootlist and maintaining the list.
   Much thanks to Chris Carman (carmance@muohio.edu) for his excellent compi-
   lation tapes, for getting me most of the other songs I didn't have... And,
   thanks to Christine Henry (goddess@ripco.com) for a few good ideas, for being
   the first person I've known to actually use the word "joshin'" in context,
   and for showing me around Chicago...  :> Thanks also go to Onica
   (ApathyC@aol.com), Mike (jmp18@cornell.edu), Matt
   (rsncrntz@merle.acns.nwu.edu), Matt  (mhensarl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu),
   and pissant (hoagland@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) for a lot of extra info... Thanks
   to Brian (bpmccal@hubcap.clemson.edu) for letting me hear the live
   "Soothe"...  Special thanks to Kristen (kkapica@wpo.it.luc.edu) for every-
   thing she's done for me... Thanks to Saira (shussa1@wpo.it.luc.edu) for
   Riv ticket info, support, etc. Thanks to Wristy (wristy@inetnebr.com) for
   running June... Thanks to Jenn (jmiller6@falcon.lhup.edu) for mailing me
   stuff, being seilly, and for everything else... Thanks also to everyone
   for their plugs, advice, compliments, adoration , etc.  on the FAQ,
   index, homepage, etc. I'm sure there are others I've forgotten, don't be
   too mad at me (just a simple "Hey! You forgot me!" will suffice)...  :)
   And finally, thanks to alt.music.smash-pumpkins and the mailing list in
   general, for all the information it makes available...  :)


7.2  Disclaimer

     I'm human, too. (No, really!) :) If there are any mistakes here, I'd
   greatly appreciate notification as such. If you have anything you think
   should be added, if you have any suggestions for improvement, rearranging
   things, etc., don't hesitate to email me (agnew@cae.wisc.edu). To quote
   Inspector Gadget, "I'm always on duty!" :>

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